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modesto2
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DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:29 am

Does anyone have a list of DL routes with flat-bed equipped aircraft? I know their 76D and 77L aircraft have new seats. What routes use these aircraft? So far, I know of...

LAX-SYD
ATL-DXB
ATL-JNB
DTW-HKG
NRT-SIN
ATL-NRT
JFK-LHR
ATL-LHR
MSP-LHR
DTW-LHR
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:39 am

The JFK-MAD flight has been operating with the flat bed seats for the last few weeks. I suspect the equipment is in rotation with the JFK-LHR flights.
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:00 am

Modesto,

I'm pretty sure what you listed is it as far as guaranteed flat bed flights. Any others at this point just happen to have that interior.

As more are renovated I guess they will add routes that are always guaranteed to have it.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:28 am

I sure hope my 777 from ATL-FRA in August has them. It would be a nice surprise!

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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:38 pm

Is the plan to have all flat beds on Intl configured planes eventually?
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:56 pm

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 4):
Is the plan to have all flat beds on Intl configured planes eventually?

Yes
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:53 pm

Haven't been on the Delta fan site in a while. What was teh timeline for the flat bet completion for the T7s and 764s?
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:00 pm

Quoting dairbus (Reply 1):
The JFK-MAD flight has been operating with the flat bed seats for the last few weeks

Very much on and off situation, mostly "off" actually.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
What was teh timeline for the flat bet completion for the T7s and 764s?

As of a few months ago, the 77Es (8), remaining 764s (14), and 76Ts (7) were all supposed to be get up-front flat beds by mid-2011. The 16 744s were scheduled for completion by mid-2012; the entire 76L (50+) fleet by mid-2013.

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 4):
Is the plan to have all flat beds on Intl configured planes eventually?

Nothing has been publicly mentioned yet of the A330s or the 757s.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:24 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 7):
the entire 76L (50+) fleet by mid-2013.

The PR count was 52 with Winglet/AVOD/Lie-flats.
DL has 57, so they will be A) parking 5 763ERs or B) doing something else with them or C) the number is not set in stone.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:40 pm

Quoting ATLflyer323 (Reply 3):
I sure hope my 777 from ATL-FRA in August has them. It would be a nice surprise!

Not likely DL14 ATL-FRA have been mostly on 777ER which has the old(er) Business class seat curretly.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 8):
The PR count was 52 with Winglet/AVOD/Lie-flats.
DL has 57, so they will be A) parking 5 763ERs or B) doing something else with them or C) the number is not set in stone.

Well if you add all the 767-300ER, the 76L & 76T there are 52, minus the 7 aircraft with 1500's tail numbers.

Then you add the 52 767-300ER, plus 16 744, 14 764, and 8 772ER equals the 90 aicraft that equals to the number in the Delta PR that mentions the Lie flat business seats.

What is DL going to do with the 7 aircraft with 1500's tail number's? Drop the ETOPS and use them as Domestic/Hawaii aircraft?? Let's not get too crazy with rumors and speculation though.   

Back to the orignial topic... Delta has been operating the 777LR 4x weekly DTW-LAX, as DL 1619. I am sure you all know where its coming from and where it is going.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:12 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 9):

Well if you add all the 767-300ER, the 76L & 76T there are 52, minus the 7 aircraft with 1500's tail numbers.

Which ones are the 1500 ships?

If its the 76Gs then they wont dump them...(IMO) because they are pretty young.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:25 am

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 10):
Which ones are the 1500 ships?

If its the 76Gs then they wont dump them...(IMO) because they are pretty young.

Yeah it appears that the 1500's series aircraft are indeed the 76G. Correct me if I am wrong but they are basically the 76L just with a seating of 30J/189Y and used mostly TATL? Atleast a quick search of the photo database here shows them in ATL or Europe. So the question is why isn't these included in the lie flat numbers?? seems like it would be an excellent chance to adjust the seat count to match the 76L. Do they have different engines that the 76L, certainly there is some thing more than a slight seating configuation that warrents their own subfleet.. Widetheads is no longer so I can't check that to see why they are in a separate sub fleet.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:19 am

Quoting modesto2 (Thread starter):
ATL-DXB

In one of the most recent schedule development bulletins, it was mentioned that over the next few months, ATL-DXB will get periodic 772ER's instead of 100% 772LR. I forget the reason for the change, but just watch out for it. DXB-ATL used to be on the nonrev 'alert' list or whatever they call it, as it seems the 77E routinely goes weight restricted on DXB-ATL while the 77L, of course, has no problem with it.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 9):
Drop the ETOPS and use them as Domestic/Hawaii aircraft??

If you dropped the ETOPS you couldn't use them as Hawaii aircraft  

The US mainland to Hawaii is actually one of the longest stretches overwater with no possible diverts. Origin or destination - nothing in between.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 11):
Correct me if I am wrong but they are basically the 76L just with a seating of 30J/189Y and used mostly TATL?

Their door configuration is significantly different.

The 767-332ER's, those originally delivered to DL, all have four main exit doors with four overwing exits. The six 767-3P6ER's and the lone 767-324ER, all 76G's, have six main exit doors and two overwing exits.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 11):
seems like it would be an excellent chance to adjust the seat count to match the 76L.

I'd suggest that would be quite impossible, given the location of the main doors on the 76G's. It's why it was an unpopular door configuration in the US, how it limits cabin capacity.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 11):
Do they have different engines that the 76L,

Depends which 76L's you look at.

Ships 171 to 199, 1200, and 1201 all have the PW4060.

Ships 1601 to 1613 and 1701 to 1708 all have the GE CF6-80C2B6F

The 76G's, 1501 to 1506, and 1521, all have the same GE CF6 motors as the 1600 and 1700 series ships.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 11):
certainly there is some thing more than a slight seating configuation that warrents their own subfleet..

Exit door configuration.

767-332ER (76L) 4 main exits + 4 overwing exits:




767-3P6ER / 767-324ER (76G) 6 main exits + 2 overwing exits:

 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:12 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
Exit door configuration.

Thanks for the information, I knew there was somebody on here that would know why they have a different subfleet. Complete with picture references.  

Will the exit door configuartion limit the installation of the Lie-flat seats? As it seems that this subfleet is not included in the numbers to get the lie flat J seats.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:43 am

DL 153 on 30 May - TLV-ATL had lie flat seats. I was in 1B and enjoyed it very much.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:18 pm

When are the 747's getting refurbished to new Y and flat beds?
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:51 pm

Quoting CZECH380 (Reply 15):
When are the 747's getting refurbished to new Y and flat beds?

The 744 fleet is supposed to be done by 2012.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:54 pm

Quoting CZECH380 (Reply 15):
When are the 747's getting refurbished to new Y and flat beds?



I do believe that DL will start the 744 Mods after the summer schedule ends, we will have to wait and see if indeed it starts then.

IIRC DL only actively schedules 12-13 of their 16 744 in the operation to allow for 1-2 to be in MTC or modifications, and the other 1-2 available for charters/spares. With DL being granted HND-DTW/LAX service with 744, which must start by 01/11 this might affect that scheduling a little this winter. I know there is someone on here that can give some additional information, and I wait his response.   

If it were me, I would think that DL would want the 744 that will be doing the HND routes to have the lie flat seats, and PTV through Y to put the best product on the route.   
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:57 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
I do believe that DL will start the 744 Mods after the summer schedule ends, we will have to wait and see if indeed it starts then.

The 744 and 76L mods aren't supposed to start until sometime next year. Only the 76C, 76T, and 77E mods are scheduled for this fall/winter.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:02 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
If it were me, I would think that DL would want the 744 that will be doing the HND routes to have the lie flat seats, and PTV through Y to put the best product on the route.

One could actually argue the opposite here - as HND is a limited-access market (i.e., not much competition), there is less of an urgency for DL to put its best product here for now....
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:04 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 13):
Will the exit door configuartion limit the installation of the Lie-flat seats?

Would be interesting to see. Currently they have one less row in J-class than the 76L's. Maybe they'll do a similar configuration on the reconfigured aircraft??

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
I do believe that DL will start the 744 Mods after the summer schedule ends, we will have to wait and see if indeed it starts then.

DL's tentative plan was to complete the 744's at the rate of 1 per month. If they want to finish by the end of 2011, they better start by August!!   

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
IIRC DL only actively schedules 12-13 of their 16 744 in the operation to allow for 1-2 to be in MTC or modifications, and the other 1-2 available for charters/spares

You got it.

Ship 6315 (N675NW) is currently doing military charters to and through Europe and the Middle East. Ship 6311 (N671US) is over in the Orient somewhere (I think HKG) getting a heavy check done. So right now they only have 14 ships in active rotation and even then there is always a RON in both DTW and NRT.

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
With DL being granted HND-DTW/LAX service with 744, which must start by 01/11 this might affect that scheduling a little this winter. I know there is someone on here that can give some additional information, and I wait his response.

I posted a thread about this a week or two back, actually. Seems in the coming months the 744's will see quite a few new routes/missions!!

DL 747-400 Utilization To Significantly Increase (by Transpac787 Jun 18 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
If it were me, I would think that DL would want the 744 that will be doing the HND routes to have the lie flat seats, and PTV through Y to put the best product on the route.

I should surely hope they do!! As well as LAX-NRT, given how competitive the market on that route is.
 
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RE: DL Flat-Bed Routes

Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:23 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 20):
Transpac787

Well that didn't take long for a reply. thanks for the additional information.

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