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Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:23 pm

Some U.S. airports have more late or missed connections than others, depending, in part, on which airlines use them and where they’re located. Some airlines are simply more unreliable, and some airports are in cities that take regular beatings from bad weather.

Below list of airports list top-10 most challenging airports to make connection in 2011 at based on comparison of DOT ontime arrival vs departure statistics.
In other words the manner DOT figures correlate are an indication of the travelers chances in making or missing a connection. For example, an airport with lots of late inbound flights, but yet better ontime departure performance could likely see increase in lost connections as the transit time for passengers has shrunk, leading to mad dashes and more stressful travel experience. Of course an airport that has both lots of late inbound and outbound flights will as well rank poorly due to the chances of not being able to match up flights to provide enough of a connection cushion.


1. Newark
2. San Francisco
3. New York LaGuardia
4. Boston Logan
5. New York JFK
6. Chicago O’Hare
7. Philadelphia
8. Washington National
9. Washington Dulles
10. Fort Lauderdale


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http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/americ...orst-airports-for-connections.html

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[Edited 2012-04-16 10:42:07]
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:26 pm

[email protected]JFK is the worst hub experience in the USA IMHO.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:30 pm

4 out of 10 are UAL hubs and 7 out of 10 are star alliance. Hmm. Yeah, I'm switching to Delta if CLE goes away.

JFK is rather horrendous, but I think EWR takes the cake for sure. You do NOT want to fly through there.

DTW gets my vote for best large hub. I've always enjoyed connecting there.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
DTW gets my vote for best large hub. I've always enjoyed connecting there.

I would personally vote DFW as the best. Always been smooth there compared to other places, especially international arrivals.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:54 pm

The 4-5 times that I have missed connections have always been on the East Coast EWR & JFK, usually due to weather and 1 time we had no gate at JFK and missed the connection.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:08 pm

While RDU isn't a hub, it's definitely not connection friendly at least if you are switching carriers. I was on a one-way routing once and had to switch from UA to DL at RDU which involved a complete terminal change. I ended up running at full sprint across the street and through a parking garage and parking lot to get to the other terminal and barely made my flight in time.

Sorry but having two separate terminals with only an intermittent bus to connect them is a terrible idea.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:09 pm

I'd agree, EWR and JFK have long been on my avoid list for connections. I'm not much a fan of ORD either, while SFO can become atrocious fast when a coupe clouds or wind halves ATC capacity.

In recent years DFW has been my favorite mega connecting hub. Ample ATC/runway capacity, OK facilities, and AA seems to run a decent operation. Only downside would be if you needed to change terminals quickly, but the new Skylink has greatly improved that experience.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
DL@JFK is the worst hub experience in the USA IMHO.

DL@SLC is pretty horrible right now because they've closed every fast food concession that sells actual warm food.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:35 pm

Yeah, you don't want to do an overnight at SLC. But in terms of actually connecting, it's pretty easy. SLC is like PHX Light.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
While RDU isn't a hub, it's definitely not connection friendly at least if you are switching carriers. I was on a one-way routing once and had to switch from UA to DL at RDU which involved a complete terminal change. I ended up running at full sprint across the street and through a parking garage and parking lot to get to the other terminal and barely made my flight in time.

Sorry but having two separate terminals with only an intermittent bus to connect them is a terrible idea.

This shouldn't happen anymore. Every airline (except WN/FL IIRC) is in the same terminal. Very nice too.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting airzim (Reply 9):
This shouldn't happen anymore. Every airline (except WN/FL IIRC) is in the same terminal. Very nice too.

interesting....but it sounds like the WN/FL terminal must be pretty underutilized now. Both terminals had quite a few gates.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
While RDU isn't a hub, it's definitely not connection friendly at least if you are switching carriers.

Ummm...RDU's terminals are now Southwest/Airtran in one terminal and everyone else in the other.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
DL@JFK is the worst hub experience in the USA IMHO.

THIS...for the win!
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
DTW gets my vote for best large hub. I've always enjoyed connecting there.
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
DL@JFK is the worst hub experience in the USA IMHO.

Agree on both. DTW is perhaps the nicest airport I've ever been in.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:06 pm

Went through SFO on a AS/AA codeshare with SEA-SFO-DFW in November. It was certainly crowded and confusing just getting off the place. My AA flight was at the other (new) terminal but it required me to go landside and walk all the way to the other terminal where I had to (yet again) go through the security line.

I can only imagine LAX and JFK with their illogical and confusing layouts must be like. I'm surprised airport officials actually are satisfied with the systems currently in place...
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Last year I did a StarA connection from UA to AC in BOS. This required me to literally leave the secured area, walk through a parking garage, then enter the B terminal and re-clear security. Managed it with no problems, but not the most passenger friendly set up.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 13):
I can only imagine LAX and JFK with their illogical and confusing layouts must be like. I'm surprised airport officials actually are satisfied with the systems currently in place...

I think LAX is very very straightforward. Pretty trivial to move between areas, and there's the Star Alliance connection bus at the very least.

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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
interesting....but it sounds like the WN/FL terminal must be pretty underutilized now. Both terminals had quite a few gates.

Terminal 1 is basically a ghost town everywhere except where Southwest historically was located.

The new terminal is very nice. Lots of light, retail options. Now we just need a Star Alliance lounge (US) and it will be perfect.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

1. Newark
2. San Francisco
3. New York LaGuardia
4. Boston Logan
5. New York JFK
6. Chicago O’Hare
7. Philadelphia
8. Washington National
9. Washington Dulles
10. Fort Lauderdale

Interesting that most of the airports on the list have multi terminal building, however it did surprise me that LAX wasn't there.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:17 pm

IF you are connecting from an International flight...has to be MIA or LAX....HORRIBLE!
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:18 pm

Quoting airzim (Reply 16):
The new terminal is very nice. Lots of light, retail options. Now we just need a Star Alliance lounge (US) and it will be perfect.

US just opened a club at RDU. I have not been through there in some years, obviously.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:30 pm

The only connection I have done in the US was an AA international connection at MIA some years back now. All the international connectors were escorted to a special room where we were locked in and not allowed out at all until we were escorted back to the gate for our connecting flight.

There was a bathroom, a drinks machine and a vending machine for crisps [chips, sorry] and chocolate and non stop Jerry Springer on a TV.

Not a very civilised way of enjoying American hospitality! Are international connectors treated the same way still today?
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
IF you are connecting from an International flight...has to be MIA or LAX....HORRIBLE!

BOS isnt much better. Came in from AMS connecting to DTW/LAX all on DL. Arrival into Terminal E, re-check bag before leaving secured area, take elevator up to a bridge, walk from one side of the airport to the other passing roads/parking house (a good 10 min walk). Get inside Terminal A, stand in line for security, get through, get to the other side of Terminal A via a walkway, and then FINALLY arriving at the gate.

Never again!
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 21):

Are you saying DTW is bad news? I'm flying from AMS on DL and changing planes in DTW, so this news doesn't make me too thrilled!!!

I vote ATL is terrible if your arriving flight is late and your departing flight is on-time. Countless times you can see me running through the various concourses - I've EARNED my status with Delta, for sure!
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:30 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
2. San Francisco

Yes, I do find SFO rather annoying with all of its delays.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
4. Boston Logan

I'm going to disagree with you there. While you can't change terminals post-security, why would you really need to? I especially find Terminal C rather nice, as Massport recently finished the new security checkpoint that connects both the UA and B6 piers post-security. The terminal has a much newer feel to it now.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
I would personally vote DFW as the best. Always been smooth there compared to other places, especially international arrivals.

   I agree! I find their airport very nice, and the SkyLink is really great too. My international experience involved an AA arrival from SJO, clearing customs in their excellent immigration facility, officers were very friendly and even called my sister "Princess", then re-clearing security at Terminal D and taking the SkyLink to Terminal C, where our flight to BOS was. 3 hour connection, nothing could've gone smoother.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
IF you are connecting from an International flight...has to be MIA or LAX....HORRIBLE!

Seriously? My international experience in LAX was really great. The only downside was that our DL arrival from PVR was too late in the evening to be processed through DL's customs/immigration facilities at Terminal 5, so they had to cram the A320's pax onto 2 buses and shuttle us over to TBIT. Once we were there, things went perfectly. I loved the new/modern feel to TBIT, and the officers/ground staff sure know how to run an immigration facility over there. Very fast and pleasant service, our 4 bags popped off the carousel in no time, and an easy walk over to Terminal 3 where our connecting AS flight to PDX was. Definitely planning on connecting in LAX again, SO much better than SFO.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 21):
BOS isnt much better. Came in from AMS connecting to DTW/LAX all on DL. Arrival into Terminal E, re-check bag before leaving secured area, take elevator up to a bridge, walk from one side of the airport to the other passing roads/parking house (a good 10 min walk). Get inside Terminal A, stand in line for security, get through, get to the other side of Terminal A via a walkway, and then FINALLY arriving at the gate.

I think I remember you talking about that before on here, actually!   Sorry to hear things didn't go well.

My only suggestion would be to hop on a free shuttle bus to get you to Terminal A next time. It is indeed a long walk from Terminal E to to Terminal A. Any Massport shuttle bus on the arrivals roadway marked "All Terminals" will take you there.

And yes, it IS a long hike from Terminal A out to the satellite (where all the DL mainline flights depart from) so nothing to help there, I'm afraid. That's one of the reasons I try to avoid Terminal A if possible.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:08 am

Connecting with DL at SFO is borderline unbearable. I had a 4 hours layover there and couldn't believe the lack of options in Terminal 1C. One mediocre sit down restaurant, an overpriced coffee place, and a Hudson News is it. For the substantial service DL has at SFO, I'd expect more. What makes matter worse is you have to leave security if you want to go to another terminal. Not very well thought out if you ask me.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 20):

Now you need to clear customs even if you are flying LHR-MIA-EZE. Because you clear customs you are just like any other domestic passenger. It does not make much sense for US airports to have international transit lounges. One of the reasons MIA lost the IB hub.

As for MIA any Internation to domestic or international to international connection is annoying at any airport. But domestic to domestic or domestic to international I now think MIA is one of the easiest and best airports to do that in the US. A few years ago MIA horror experiences wold be all over this thread. Nice to see that change.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 22):
Are you saying DTW is bad news?

DTW is great, so relax.

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 22):
I vote ATL is terrible if your arriving flight is late and your departing flight is on-time. Countless times you can see me running through the various concourses - I've EARNED my status with Delta, for sure!

Then book more sensible connection times. If this has really happened to you "countless" times, you need to book a later connecting flight.

Quoting fghtngsiouxatc (Reply 24):
Connecting with DL at SFO is borderline unbearable. I had a 4 hours layover there and couldn't believe the lack of options in Terminal 1C. One mediocre sit down restaurant, an overpriced coffee place, and a Hudson News is it. For the substantial service DL has at SFO, I'd expect more. What makes matter worse is you have to leave security if you want to go to another terminal. Not very well thought out if you ask me.

There are few DL connections in SFO, and the ones that do happen are all in one terminal (with the occasional aircraft parked at the International terminal, normally late at night.) Go back and re-read the original premise: this thread is about the difficulty of connecting at various hubs. Connecting on DL in SFO (not a DL hub) is rarely if ever difficult (especially if you have the four hours you stated.) The amenities in the airport are in no way contributing to connection difficulties at SFO (or anywhere else.)
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 7):
DL@SLC is pretty horrible right now because they've closed every fast food concession that sells actual warm food.

But they are installing a "Cafe Rio" outlet, which will be reason enough for me to go out of my way to transit SLC as much as possible once it opens. It's part of a major overhaul of all concessions at SLC.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 22):
Are you saying DTW is bad news? I'm flying from AMS on DL and changing planes in DTW, so this news doesn't make me too thrilled!!!

No, I meant BOS.

DTW is really good, but it can be long between gates, though there is a tram that goes across the terminal building.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 23):
I think I remember you talking about that before on here, actually! Sorry to hear things didn't go well.

Yeah, I did it last time we had a similar thread.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
interesting....but it sounds like the WN/FL terminal must be pretty underutilized now. Both terminals had quite a few gates.

I arrived with DL in Terminal 2 and was overwhelmed, really nice. Departing next day with WN in Terminal 1 was another story. Very old school layout, fabrics and colours, access to the jetways are just regular doors, FIDS next to the gate were these old manual things... It seems that WN uses the left part of the terminal, and a few gates around a large seating area, while the remaining concourse is opened, but everyhting, including seats is gone and it looks like a ghost town as said before.

I connected with WN in Baltimore and found this really nice. Modern and bright airport, with nice facilities, short ways from gate to gate and nice views on the apron.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 26):
Then book more sensible connection times. If this has really happened to you "countless" times, you need to book a later connecting flight.

I've been caught in numerous delays since August of 2011, beginning with a 7-hr delay departing JFK going through ATL and missing the very last flight of the day to my final destination, an 1.5-hr delay leaving IAD due to weather and changing planes in ATL nearly missing my flight (but thanks to late arriving crew, I didn't) again, running through the concourse. I do allow plenty of time but everybody knows weather is not our friend not matter how well we plan.
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
it sounds like the WN/FL terminal must be pretty underutilized now. Both terminals had quite a few gates.

The last I heard the plan was to demolish the extension on the south end of Terminal 1 and renovate the central part. When the renovations are complete WN will move to those gates and the north part of the terminal where they are now will be demolished. So once that is all done there won't be all that many gates.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:50 pm

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned DEN as one of the best airports to connect in. I've connected on F9 and UA, and both times had great experiences compared to ORD or SLC (w/ DL). They have 3 different concourses (that require a tram transfer), but F9 has concourse A, UA has concourse B, and SW has concourse C (+ ~3 gates in A) so unless you are doing an inter-airline transfer, it is seamless. The concourses are all modern enough and have plenty of amenities. DEN also offers FREE wi-fi (that actually works), unlike the $10 Boingo service you get at other big airports.

Plus, the people are some of the nicest I've experienced in the country (as airports go). I've never had a bad CSA in DEN, unlike ORD or MSP, etc.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 32):
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned DEN as one of the best airports to connect in. I'

No question, I'd argue DEN is among the best in the world for connections. Logical, good signage, well layed it out. It works very well.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:45 pm

Some of you guys are missing the point. The list is not about facility design, restaurants, staff, or the color of the terminal floor tiles.

The published list is based on on-time performance, and the odds of either successfully making your connection, or not at US airports. Some of the worst airports have almost a 20% probability that you will miss-connect on an average day.

So while you might love or hate a particular airport for its creature comforts, layout or features, it does not change the reality of its performance statistics and ability to get planes in and out in a timely manner.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:03 am

I am glad DFW is getting such good marks. Are 2 hours 35 minutes sufficient for an international transit arriving on QF 7 at 1:45PM (9/28) and connecting to an UA flight leaving for IAH at 4:20PM ?

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:36 am

Quoting bps3458 (Reply 35):

Qantas operates at Terminal D and United Airlines operates at Terminal E. You will have the option of choosing "Terminal Link" which operates every 10 minutes (landside) and is also a complimentary service. I cannot personally say if 2h35mins is sufficient for your transit, however, here is a listing of arriving flights around your arrival time:

British Airways from LHR arrives 13h35p
KLM from AMS arrives 13h50p
Lufthansa from FRA arrives 14h15p
TACA from SAL arrives 12h24p
Korean Air from ICN does not operate on Fridays
Qantas from SYD arrives 13h45p

I did not include Air Canada, Emirates (flight arrives at 09h45), or some American Airlines flights. There is also one flight operated by American Airlines from LHR arriving near your arrival time. I only chose the above since they operate wide-body aircraft (sans TACA, but from Latin America, customs takes forever, IN MY EXPERIENCE) ...

You should keep in mind these are scheduled arrival times and factors such as, low load factors, wind speed, delays, weather, early departures, late arrivals, etc. can affect the number of passengers arriving into customs in Terminal D.

I will simply offer to use sense of urgency when deplaning your flight.

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:33 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 34):
Some of you guys are missing the point. The list is not about facility design, restaurants, staff, or the color of the terminal floor tiles.

The published list is based on on-time performance, and the odds of either successfully making your connection, or not at US airports. Some of the worst airports have almost a 20% probability that you will miss-connect on an average day.

So while you might love or hate a particular airport for its creature comforts, layout or features, it does not change the reality of its performance statistics and ability to get planes in and out in a timely manner.

I agree! That's why my preferred US connecting airport for international and long haul domestic flights is LAX. Runway and ATC delays are rare. I have never missed a connection. If you know your way around there are some shortcuts if you want to skip the connecting bus. If you want to walk, the weather is usually good enough to go the the upper level (much less crowded). An airside connection is being built between TBIT and T-4. If they open all the tunnels from T-4 to T-7 you could do much of it airside. Plans to connect airside from TBIT to T-1 are unfortunately very far off.

My only problem is that sometimes the immigration desks at TBIT have terrible backups if too many jumbos arrive at the same time.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting aklrno (Reply 37):
My only problem is that sometimes the immigration desks at TBIT have terrible backups if too many jumbos arrive at the same time.

And thus my experience at TBIT is always atrocious - coming off the QF11 from SYD it's always a massive wait for immigration, and then a truly monumental queue snaking all around the baggage carousel area for customs. Post-customs, there's usually another, smaller, queue to drop bags for connections. Once you're outside it's an easy walk to any other terminal.

Connecting domestic-international is fine. However, it's a mighty long run from the far UA pier all the way to TBIT to make an 80-minute connection!
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 38):
And thus my experience at TBIT is always atrocious - coming off the QF11 from SYD it's always a massive wait for immigration

I thought QF used the CBP facilities in Terminal 2?
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 39):
I thought QF used the CBP facilities in Terminal 2?

Air New Zealand is at T2, and until recently V(irgin) Australia were at T3... QF arrivals (except JFK) have always been TBIT, and all departures except JFK, AKL and BNE are from TBIT. AKL's about to cease, and with it, the BNE departure is relocating to TBIT as well.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:23 pm

Connecting in CLT can be a challenge if you're switching between US mainline and Express. Opposite ends of the airport with a lot of obstacles to get past.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 40):
Air New Zealand is at T2, and until recently V(irgin) Australia were at T3

My understanding is that NZ uses Terminal 2 for both arrivals and departures, while VA uses Terminal 3 for departures and Terminal 5 for arrivals (therefore using DL's CBP facilities). I don't think that Terminal 3 has CBP facilities. Do I have all that correct?

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 40):
QF arrivals (except JFK) have always been TBIT, and all departures except JFK, AKL and BNE are from TBIT. AKL's about to cease, and with it, the BNE departure is relocating to TBIT as well.

Ah, I see. I just looked at the map on the LAX website and QF is indeed listed under TBIT. So is QF or NZ downsizing at LAX?
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:44 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 42):
Ah, I see. I just looked at the map on the LAX website and QF is indeed listed under TBIT. So is QF or NZ downsizing at LAX?

QF's ending their AKL service (A332) and as this aircraft was used for the LAX-JFK tag, the JFK service is becoming a 744 service once more. Perhaps with this slightly reduced volume of flights they can fit everything at TBIT (especially with its expansion that's about to open?)
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:15 am

Agree that BOS is not set up well for inbound international connections. Neither AA nor DL are close walks. Would have been nice if each had FIS in their respective terminals for international arrivals. That said, I like taking a long walk inbetween flights.

Outbound intentional connections, on other hand, are a pleasure. Logan is a beautiful airport to fly into.

As for having to go thorough security... Well, you have to do that anyway when coming into the country.

Someone else mentioned the poor facilities at SFO near the DL gates .... Perhaps true, but that doesn't have to do with connections!
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting AlnessW

Because you might have a connection in a different terminal. I don't understand how people can complain about what others bring on board but not complain at getting irradiated twice as much as you'd need to.

(Reply 23):
While you can't change terminals post-security, why would you really need to?
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
1. Newark
2. San Francisco
3. New York LaGuardia
4. Boston Logan
5. New York JFK
6. Chicago O’Hare
7. Philadelphia
8. Washington National
9. Washington Dulles
10. Fort Lauderdale

So, in fact, these are the most delayed airports, not necessarily the worst for connections.

I've actually used all these airports, aside from FLL (which I'll use next month).

(LAX and) SFO... I had a connection in the same terminal, no comment.
LGA, DCA were final destinations (who'd connect there if given a choice?).
PHL is a pain and IMO possibly the worst airport in the US
EWR was a long time ago... don't remember it being as bad as PHL.
BOS is a walk in the park if you give yourself enough time. I think BOS is a decent airport, actually.
JFK is JFK and I'm sure we all know about it well enough.
IAD--I've not had a problem; in fact this airport seems easy to use IMO.

And my home airport ORD... What a lovely place for 4-hr delays!

However, even adding all the problems found in these airports you wouldn't get something as bad as CDG. America should be proud of that. I know I am.
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 43):


Thanks for clarifying!

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
Agree that BOS is not set up well for inbound international connections.


That is hard to disagree with but you also make a good point here:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
I like taking a long walk inbetween flights.


I might also suggest a free shuttle bus to the DL or AA terminals (Terminal A for DL and B2 for AA). You can catch them for free on the arrivals level of each terminal. Just follow the signs and board any Massport bus marked "All Terminals."

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
Outbound intentional connections, on other hand, are a pleasure. Logan is a beautiful airport to fly into.


I agree. BOS is great. I have heard people say before that they are "underwhelmed" with the international Terminal E, but I've flown out of it once and thought it was just fine.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 44):
As for having to go thorough security... Well, you have to do that anyway when coming into the country.
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 45):
BOS is a walk in the park if you give yourself enough time. I think BOS is a decent airport, actually.


   I agree!
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:54 pm

I cannot believe LAX is not on the list.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
DL@JFK is the worst hub experience in the USA IMHO

This thread is about challenging airports to make connections. While JFK itself is challenging for connections from different terminals, DL connections are relatively easier. Nobody is talking about hub experience. It is about connections and ontime arrivals and departures.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 21):
Came in from AMS connecting to DTW/LAX all on DL. Arrival into Terminal E, re-check bag before leaving secured area, take elevator up to a bridge, walk from one side of the airport to the other passing roads/parking house (a good 10 min walk). Get inside Terminal A, stand in line for security, get through, get to the other side of Terminal A via a walkway, and then FINALLY arriving at the gate.

I am guessing you are talking about BOS because DTW isabsolutely fantastic for DL connections

Quoting AirAfreak (Reply 22):
Are you saying DTW is bad news? I'm flying from AMS on DL and changing planes in DTW, so this news doesn't make me too thrilled!!!

I think he is talking about BOS.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 23):
Seriously? My international experience in LAX was really great. The only downside was that our DL arrival from PVR was too late in the evening to be processed through DL's customs/immigration facilities at Terminal 5, so they had to cram the A320's pax onto 2 buses and shuttle us over to TBIT. Once we were there, things went perfectly. I loved the new/modern feel to TBIT, and the officers/ground staff sure know how to run an immigration facility over there. Very fast and pleasant service, our 4 bags popped off the carousel in no time, and an easy walk over to Terminal 3 where our connecting AS flight to PDX was. Definitely planning on connecting in LAX again, SO much better than SFO.

You were just lucky to be processed at TBIT. Try making the hike from Terminal 5 to Terminal 3.

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 32):
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned DEN as one of the best airports to connect in

Nobody mentioned it because the thread is about challenging connections. DEN does not qualify to be on the list  
 
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 47):
am guessing you are talking about BOS because DTW isabsolutely fantastic for DL connections
Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 47):

I think he is talking about BOS.

Yeah, I meant BOS. Sorry for not clarifying.
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RE: Worst Airports In America To Connect At

Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 47):
I cannot believe LAX is not on the list.

   
Its not on the list because its one the best places in America to potentially connect utilizing the criteria of the authors.

LAX has ample ATC capacity, virtually always favorable weather, and one of the counties top DOT on-time rankings.

But anyhow, LAX is about 85% local O&D, and what does connect mostly does so under the same roof (eg AA and UA), which itself is an easy process.

So if you want to help assure you successfully make your connections and in a timely manner, by all means utilize LAX.
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