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Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Thu May 10, 2012 8:09 pm

I thought I'd start a thread for everyone who's attending the aviation tour(s) in the DPRK (otherwise known to the rest of the world as North Korea). For those that are unfamiliar with the tours, more information can be found here: http://www.juchetravelservices.com/T...rs/Special%20Interest%20Tours.html

So who's going? How are you getting to Beijing? For those who will be going on the May tour, let us know how it goes!
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:32 pm

I will be on the September tour, arriving in Beijing on the 6th and taking the Tu154B option out to Shenyang:

05.09.2012 ... RIX-KBP ... Air Baltic ... Dash 8-Q400
05.09.2012 ... KBP-PEK ... Aerosvit ... B767-300ER

Will be going on to South East Asia afterwards before flying home.


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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Thu May 10, 2012 10:57 pm

Interesting tour, never heard any tourist go to the North for vacation. I sure hope I can do this tour in the future though.  
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting MbahGondrong (Reply 2):
Interesting tour, never heard any tourist go to the North for vacation.

There is a reasonably sized market for this kind of 'adventure' tour. Of course it's even better that this one also comes with some exceedingly rare aircraft included.


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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Fri May 11, 2012 1:54 am

I'm in Beijing already for the May tour. Very much looking forward to it.

I was working in Shanghai most of the week, so flew PVG-PEK with CA on an A343.

I will be ending the trip in SHE to get the Tu-154B and from there will fly SHE-PEK on CA, PEK-IKA on an Iran Air B747-SP then finally IKA-AUH with EY.

I will certainly let you know how the May tour goes.

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Fri May 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Hey! Good idea to start a thread, I was actually thinking of starting one myself.

I will be going on the July tour. I arrive in PEK out of AMS and FRA on the LH 388 on the 10th, in order to squeeze in some PEK sightseeing.

I fly back to SHE (duh!) and from there on the same afternoon, to PVG on the Shanghai Airlines 738. After a few days in Shanghai I will fly the CA 77W on the 24th from SHA to PEK and the LH 346 to MUC and AMS the next day.

If all goes well I should log 8 new types in 2 weeks   

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Fri May 11, 2012 3:40 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 4):
I will be ending the trip in SHE to get the Tu-154B and from there will fly SHE-PEK on CA, PEK-IKA on an Iran Air B747-SP then finally IKA-AUH with EY.

And a little birdy tells me you're gonna have to suffer a trans-atlantic flight just after that to take the Sacrememto DC8..

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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Fri May 11, 2012 7:30 pm

I'm planning on going on one of the tours in 2013 (and if they don't have an aviation one, just the regular tour). Would have loved to go this year but finances don't permit it!  
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 8:21 pm

I will be on the September tour, arriving in Beijing on the 7th with LH from CDG to PEK via MUC.

I took the Tu-154 option to Shenyang. And then home with LH from SHE to CDG via FRA  



New types during this trip : A346, A343, IL-62, Tu-134, Tu-154. Not bad !

[Edited 2012-05-11 13:24:25]
 
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Fri May 11, 2012 8:42 pm

Stupidly I neglected to share my details! I'll be on the September tour, also heading back to Shenyang on the 154.

As for my travel to/from PEK;

4/9 LON-BUD - Undecided (inspiration welcome!)
5/9 BUD-KBP Aerosvit/Dniproavia EMB145
5/9 KBP-PEK Aerosvit 763 (With Dan, see above)
18/9 PEK-TAS Uzbekistan 763
18/9 TAS-LHR Uzbekistan 752.

As for the stats - at least four new airlines, four new countries and three all new (not sub type) aircraft.

Really looking forward to it, despite the debt I'll be in!
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:55 pm

Is anyone taking the Tu-204?   


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Sat May 12, 2012 12:03 am

Group is assembled in PEK, 31 legends ready for the first leg, Il-62 to FNJ. Had a cracking night last night in a North Korean restaurant, great food and entertainment. Will be a unique trip! See you in a week!
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Sat May 12, 2012 12:23 am

Quoting Tugmaster (Reply 6):

After what will be 4 horrendous days back at work, yes! Off to meet Charlie now and head to the airport early. Hope the weather clears a bit for the IL-62 'thrash seat' photos!
 
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Tue May 15, 2012 8:51 am

I will go on the september tour as well... Hope the current group now has a great time there and can even post an update from the hotel internet terminal
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Tue May 15, 2012 11:29 am

I've seen photos of there departure from Peking.

They got the IL62, with the open racks...

Nice
 
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Tue May 15, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting Tugmaster (Reply 14):
I've seen photos of there departure from Peking.

Share!
 
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Tue May 15, 2012 12:33 pm

Though these pictures aren't from the plane spotting tour, they were taken last month and so are very recent. All credits to the original uploader;

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=42750

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Tue May 15, 2012 4:50 pm

Thanks for the link.
I´m on the September tour as well  
 
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Wed May 16, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 7):
I'm planning on going on one of the tours in 2013 (and if they don't have an aviation one, just the regular tour). Would have loved to go this year but finances don't permit it!

Same here Hywel... Can't wait to see pics from this years tours.. This may be a daft question but are cameras and such allowed into North Korea?
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Wed May 16, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 18):
This may be a daft question but are cameras and such allowed into North Korea?

I read somewhere that cameras with a lens 100mm or less are allowed. Ipads/ipods/laptops are allowed but no mobile phones, which are confiscated on arrival.
 
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Wed May 16, 2012 8:19 pm

Off-topic: On the pictures above an Il-14 is clearly shown. I wonder if there's any way to have a sightseeing flight with this aircraft instead of the An-24 - or maybe both. Has anybody already e-mailed the tour operator about this? Otherwise I'll do it.

Edit: E-Mail already sent. Couldn't wait. I'll certainly be interested in such a flight!

[Edited 2012-05-16 13:41:26]
 
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Wed May 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 20):
On the pictures above an Il-14 is clearly shown. I wonder if there's any way to have a sightseeing flight with this aircraft instead of the An-24 - or maybe both. Has anybody already e-mailed the tour operator about this? Otherwise I'll do it.

I swear I read an email from the organiser saying he saw what appeared to be an operational IL14 on the ramp and was making enquiries. I can't find the email now though!
 
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Wed May 16, 2012 9:42 pm

I'm on the July tour! can't wait.

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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Sat May 19, 2012 3:58 am

Just landed at SHE aboard Il-62 from FNJ after a fantastic week flying Tu-134, An-24, Il-18 with unprecedented ramp and photo access. Will post more later but couldn't wait to tell you how successful this first trip has been. July / Sep / Oct trips are almost sold out but there may be another put in for Aug. Contact Juche Tours. Meanwhile stand by for an avalanche of pics and trip reports from what everyone agrees was the best aviation tour ever. PS DPRK v friendly and interesting.
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Sat May 19, 2012 9:43 am

Wow !  


So 2 flights on the -62 then ?
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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Sat May 19, 2012 10:10 am

I'm glad to hear it was a fantastic week.

I'm waiting for more informations about authorized lenses in DPRK. Can you tell us more about it ?
 
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Sat May 19, 2012 10:37 am

No restrictions on cameras or lenses; had the run of the ramp at FNJ and other airports; cannot exaggerate how laid back the DPRK authorities were. We literally ate lunch (provided) on the Tarmac in front of the Il-18 after our flight to Mt Paektu. Couldn't ask for more. Other DPRKers will chime in shortly with more examples. Was a magical week.
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Sat May 19, 2012 1:03 pm

I'm on the July tour. Unfortunately no new types, airlines or countries for me, unless my CA 747-400 flight ex-FRA turns out to be a combi or the SHE flight is a Tu-204.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 26):
No restrictions on cameras or lenses;

Wow, how different to 2009. We got into heavy restrictions in terms of photography, GPS receivers and we got all our photos checked twice. Some people of out tour lost half of their photos upon leaving the country by train. I planned ahead and had enough backups...

Any problem bringing a pocket camera with GPS? In 2009 I already had a 18-200mm lens for my Nikon D90 and no problems at immigration, though they checked my entire equipment and I even had to fire up my laptop. Mobile was of course confiscated.
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Sun May 20, 2012 12:53 am

I am in Shenyang still.

The tour was a great success for me, great airplanes, great people (there were no arguments, or not that I know of) and I had a blast, not only aviation-wise!

The only minor thing for me was that they changed the Tu-154 for Il-62 for the Shenyang flight (I love the Ilyushin 62 but I have never flown the Tu-154), and for me personally, that in that particular flight I was not able to secure a window seat (it was packed). The type change was not under the control of the tour operator so meh, that's just life.

As for the other concerns, and given my recent experience:

I was scared they would impound my camera (Nikon D90 with a Nikkor 28-300 lens) and my laptop, there were some words about it happening sometimes, even though there's no internet at all there (I took it for use as storage). So I took my good old Canon S3-IS and bought like 12 AA batteries in Beijing just in case. My D90 does not have GPS capability by itself, but can have it with an external device which I don't own, but the menu still has some GPS part on it.
They ask you in the customs form if you are bringing any sort of GPS or navigator with you.

On arrival in Pyongyang we just disembarked and went to do formalities. We started to take some pictures of the line-up of Air Koryo parked just near the entrance to the building they are using (as the original terminal is being restored) and they were OK with it, but just let us a few minutes and then asked us to please go in the building and continue the formalities.

Immigration without hassle and then at customs the guy made a thorough check of my luggage but he was friendly and did not have problem with my camera or laptop, when checking the laptop he opened the DVD reader and card reader and everything maybe searching for something hidden there, but other than that no problem.
I had already given away my mobile phone (an old Nokia warrior), but also took with me an iPod touch (not iPhone). He saw it and asked me about it, then he asked me "just music right?" and gave it back to me. So that was it with customs, they did a thorough check on my luggage but after all I only had to give away my mobile phone, which was expected. The camera and laptop went OK.

They did not make erase any picture nor looked at them, but I complied when they told not to take pictures (only twice that I can remember: Once for some army barracks and again for a set of An-2s parked in Sondok Airport, close to Hamhung, when we were taking the Tu-134). We were told North Korean people did not like their pictures taken, which I believe is true, but I can confirm I experienced maybe 5 people that were actually happy and waving.

On our flights photography was very well allowed, but I think they gave special consideration to us because of our nature (i.e freaks). I say this because when we arrived at Pyongyang in a flight that was only our group and the Airport was alone, I was able to take pictures of the terminal and no one told me anything (and I know for sure they saw me). But then again when I was departing for Shenyang in what was a normal flight, I tried to do the same and they asked me to erase it. So maybe it was more like "let these freaks do their thing and we'll see how it turns out" because it's the first time for Air Koryo as well as far as I know.

About the Il-14: The info I have is that the Airplane is not operated by Air Koryo, but is being preserved or something like that. They told us Kim Il Sung flew it to Indonesia in 1965. They were kind enough to drop us close to the Airplane to take pictures and then pick us up again. My understanding is that it had much to do with Mr.Lee, one of our male guides, which was of immense help and even though he did not seem to know much about Aviation he understood us and tried his best to accommodate us (for example he brought extra luggage tags and gave one to each person, out of the blue). He also tried renaming a bus that overheated going to mount paektu "Ilyushin" (that was a whole new adventure altogether for me, we did not get there but I had a blast in the risk green bus -those who rode it know what I am talking about-).

The one minor incident happened in the first Tu-134 flight, when we got in the bus Mr.Lee came back asking for safety cards if anyone had taken them, I don't know exactly why this happened but I think maybe one of the crew members saw most seats without safety cards and did not like it (only my guess though). I had taken one and I gave it back, no biggie.

That's all I can think about right now, anything else let me know!
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Wed May 23, 2012 9:37 am

Thanks very much to those of you who have commented on the May tour so far. I'm still eager to hear more tales and see some photographs!

In other news, I am absolutely ecstatic to read that there will be pleasure flights on the IL76 and Mil-17 on the next tours. I really really can't wait!
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 29):
In other news, I am absolutely ecstatic to read that there will be pleasure flights on the IL76 and Mil-17 on the next tours. I really really can't wait!

My god I almost fainted when I read this. IL-76, not in my wildest dreams!!!!
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 29):
In other news, I am absolutely ecstatic to read that there will be pleasure flights on the IL76 and Mil-17 on the next tours.

Can you share a link? I was one of the people who requested these two types, so I was glad to read your post!
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 31):
Can you share a link? I was one of the people who requested these two types, so I was glad to read your post!

It was posted this morning on the Juche Travel Services' Facebook page;

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Juche-Travel-Services/275497005829969
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:04 am

This is getting better and better !  
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:09 am

Spectacular news!

Thanks for the quick reply.

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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Sat May 26, 2012 12:17 pm

I'm surprised nobody has posted any trip reports or photos or anything from the tour. Can anybody point me in the direction I might find some?
 
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Sat May 26, 2012 5:24 pm

Could be that people are not allowed to? I know a prerequisite of another DPRK tour I looked at a few years ago was that no articles or journalistic pieces were published on it. Hopefully they have abandoned that line, other trips seem to have resulted in reports but whether they were officially permitted or not I don't know.


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Sat May 26, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 36):

Pretty sure this is not the case, as the tour operator has quite some pictures on their facebook page from all tours (including the IL14 from the aviation tour!)

Rgds

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Sat May 26, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 37):
Pretty sure this is not the case, as the tour operator has quite some pictures on their facebook page from all tours (including the IL14 from the aviation tour!)

I hope so too!


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Sun May 27, 2012 5:29 am

There were no requirements not to publish anything except what I described before about somethings we should not take pictures of, but for the rest is fine.
I have not published mine yet because I am still travelling, but I will! (and I think other members may as well)
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Mon May 28, 2012 11:18 am

Got a follow up email from Juche Travel about the tour options.

The AN-24, MI-17 and IL76 (!!!) flights are confirmed. There are only 28 seats on the IL-76 sold on a first come first serve basis, so July-tour attendees, make sure to sign up fast!

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RE: Aviation Tours Of The DPRK, Who's Going?

Tue May 29, 2012 6:40 pm

I did the May tour, but have now also signed up for the October tour - a decision swung by the inclusion of the IL-76!

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