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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:03 pm

I used to always get stuck working the 4:45 A.M. RHI-EAU-MSP when I worked for XJ. It would normally have 4 or 5 pax onboard, all seated at the back for weight and balance. It was eery because it was so dark I couldn't see any of the pax onboard from the front from the time we departed RHI until we turned the lights back on in EAU. lol
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:24 pm

KL462 TLV-AMS 737-900 leaves at 0450 LT. Pretty early.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting cargolex (Reply 25):
With an airplane crossing many time zones and the IDL, it's hard to know what qualifies as "Early" vs. "Late."SEA has one departure that stands out above all the others. EVA 25 to Taipei, which leaves at 2:30 in the morning, a time when the rest of the airport is whisper quiet and virtually no other operations are going on. I tend to think of this departure as occurring in a no-man's land between the late evening red-eye departures and the beginning of volume operations in the morning. This flight leaves an hour and a half after the last late domestic pax flight, and two and a half hours before the first morning domestic pax flight.

Agreed. The DL (and NW before it) 0100 SEA-MSP flight is a nasty one too because you get into MSP at ~0545 Central Time, but your body thinks it is 0345 Pacific Time. Has to be one of the shorter red-eyes around. I've never flown it, but I've arrived on the late night MSP-SEA flight that arrives ~2330 and you see the people waiting for the 0100 departure. Definitely makes you happy to be done flying for the day.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:42 pm

The earliest flights I've taken are...

AF DXB-CDG which took off around 1-2 AM (this was in 2006, my memory is hazy)

LH1309 BEY-FRA Around 3-4 AM. Right now that flight is taking off at 3:50 am. That one is pretty hard to beat....
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:46 pm

I know that Emirates has a early morning departure bank out of DXB..
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 7:57 pm

I have flown on some of these in Asia after midnight, but the big question was whether I wanted to book the hotel another night? or check out and have them hold my bags at 12pm and do stuff till 3am?? That always has been a question I deal with when I have to adjust to the late night super early morning flights.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 8:03 pm

I flew on AV JFK-BOG leaving at 00:55 and an on AF DEL-CDG leaving at 01:35.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 37):
I freakin' hate flying out of India, because I always end up on a 3:30am BA flight from DEL-LHR. End work at 5pm and just sit around until the middle of the night. The worst.

Me too. I hate these any of these flights after midnight as we just need to sit around in the airport doing nothing.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 9:08 pm

Just within the continental U.S., various domestic carriers operate eastbound red-eyes from western markets (as far east as DEN) until about 2 AM. The shortest red-eyes, between the Southwest (LAS/LAX) and southerly Central Time Zone hubs (DFW/IAH/MEM) have to leave very late - so as not to arrive at their destination in the middle of the night. There are also westbound red-eye departures, including HA's "midnight madness" LAS-HNL with a ~2 AM departure, and many transpacific flights operated by Asian carriers leave between midnight and 3 AM. Mexican and Central American carriers like to depart at the most unusual times (i.e., between 3 and 4 AM) - even from airports like ORD that are otherwise have NO departures between 11 PM and 5 AM! In fact, the desire for growing Asian and Latin American carriers to arrive and depart at very late night/very early morning hours has been causing some problems for U.S. airports to provide CBP and other services for the flights. Recent examples include CA's PEK-IAH and CM's PTY-BOS. Airports like LAX run a 24/7 operation - by the time the last red-eyes and foreign carrier operated flights to East Asia, Mexico, and Central America depart, it's time to start landing the inbound red-eyes from Hawaii. Airports like IAH and BOS essentially shut down after the last bank of departures/arrivals until the first flights of the next morning, and are now being asked to operate 24/7. However, if ORD can find a way to handle a handful of Mexican/Central American departures during the nighttime lull, I'm sure IAH and BOS can too.

Outside of the continental U.S., you'll notice that all kinds of places have departures at seemingly unusual hours - often to comply with curfews and other restrictions in places like the U.S., Europe, and Australia. In particular, it seems places like the Middle East, Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia have a ton of service in the middle of the night, and even places in the Pacific like GUM and PPT. Even many flights from Alaska return to the lower 48 in the middle of the night. I'll never forget visiting ANC in 2001, on the UA ORD-ANC flights that my mom was working, and seeing a bunch of bleary-eyed tourists waiting around, complaining that their HP departure to PHX wouldn't leave until 2 AM!
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 9:43 pm

If you fly domestic on 5J they seen to start daily operations from Manila early

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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting piedmont727 (Thread starter):
im about to fly tommorow on a us airways 5:15AM departure out of a none hub city and it got me curious , Whats the earliest depature you have ever flown on? or whats the earliest deparure you have ever heard of?
Quoting brilondon (Reply 24):
Does 0230 count from DBX to LHR?

You probably mean DXB. There are dozens of departures from DXB around 0200 or 0300. Same from points in India etc.due to the effect of time zones, curfews at destinations, and the need to maximize connectivity.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 10:17 pm

In Ireland the earliest departures are:

00:20 Dublin-Bucharest (OTP) Tarom (red-eye)
05:20 Dublin-Frankfurt (FRA) Lufthansa
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting malaysia (Reply 55):
I have flown on some of these in Asia after midnight, but the big question was whether I wanted to book the hotel another night?

Yeah. I've been on round the world trips where I saved money and time by spending days in the destination(s) and then taking flights during the nights. There was a business trip where I went from Finland to Asia to North America to Finland. The Asia - North America leg was during a weekend, and I spent two nights in the airplane and one on a tent camping out next to Kilauea's glowing red lava flows at Big Island. My kind of trip...

Anyway, I think midnight departures are fine, at least for a night owl like me. It is the 8am departures that hurt me more  
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 42):

I'm booked this autumn on SQ SIN-LHR at 01:10. The flight time is great as you can have a full day in Singapore, have dinner and go to the airport. I'll land in London in time for breakfast.

I hope that you like it, having breakfast before going to bed for about 7 or 8 hours as your body will be crying for sleep.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 60):
You probably mean DXB. There are dozens of departures from DXB around 0200 or 0300. Same from points in India etc.due to the effect of time zones, curfews at destinations, and the need to maximize connectivity.

Yeah, that is what I meant. I love to fly at the crack of dawn, I don't like to fly at the crack of 2am.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:24 pm

This is all extremely interesting!

I have been chided by a moderator here at this forum, because I wrote about a personal observation (aren't they all?).... and now we have this interesting thread - which really enriches our knowledge base enormously.

Give me an A against B fight any day. Yes - another one!

The EARLIER - the better....!!

At least I will not get confusing and conflicting information about whether a 00.05am or
a 04.05am departure is "earlier". Man - that fundamental question really left me sleepless -
might as well head out to the airport now.... at 11.55pm... late.... early..???
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
I don't think Delta has anything departing earlier than 5am in the Continental US (in the context we are talking about

Wonder why the change. As I recall the 1957 OAG shows 20+ departures from Atlanta between 0200 and 0400.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 5):
I've flown out of LAS numerous times between midnight and 2 am. US west coast airports have flights going about 20 hours a day...and I'm sure airports like DXB and AUH are 24 hour departure airports.

PHNL is another great example of almost continuous operations; you have banks of red eyes to the mainland departing between 9pm and just after midnight, not to mention some sporadic arrivals and departures from the Pacific (including the pmCO island hopper's 2am arrival). Probably the wackiest example of a crazy flight time are/were the AQ interisland cargo flights from PHOG (2:45a - 3:30a); they were unique in that they typically were carrying hundreds of dozens of Krispy Kreme donuts (made in the middle of the night in Kahului, about 5 minutes from the airport) for sale on Oahu later that morning.

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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:31 pm

Spirit Airlines will win this one for sure... I flew TLC-DFW leaving at 3:00am, we even arrived at DFW and we had to wait on the airplane for about 45min because inmigration wasn´t open yet.
Also I know EY has tones of Early or midnight flights..
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:35 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 52):
Agreed. The DL (and NW before it) 0100 SEA-MSP flight is a nasty one too because you get into MSP at ~0545 Central Time, but your body thinks it is 0345 Pacific Time. Has to be one of the shorter red-eyes around

Yeah, the shorter red-eye flights are the worst. I have flown LAX-IAH with a departure at around 1:30am arriving barely 3 hours later 6:30 in the morning. I only got about 2hrs worth of sleep on that flight which made the day in Houston terrible.

Last month I had another of those short red-eye flights from LAX-MSP. Departing 1am and arriving 6:30 in the morning 3.5 hours later    I hate loosing a night like that.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:48 pm

Hawaiian's 2.00am departure to HNL from LAS. I always take this flight. I'm into HNL to see the sun rise and this gives me a full day on the beach. It's perfect.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Wed May 15, 2013 11:59 pm

I see your age listed as 13-15 years old, Piedmont 727 (a GREAT name, by the way)....

A bit of a history lesson for you... in the mid-80s, a low-fare budget airline named People Express operated many crazy late night flights....

Looking at their July 1984 timetable, you will find:

Jacksonville-Newark departing at 3:50am arriving at 6:05am.
Melbourne-Newark departing at 12:05am arriving at 2:30am.
Saint Petersburg-Newark departing at 4:45am and arriving at 7:20am.
Sarasota-Newark departing at 1:50am and arriving at 4:40am.
West Palm Beach-Newark departing at 2:10am and arriving at 4:40am and also departing at 4:05am and arriving at 6:35am.

Plus, as I think has been mentioned, America West Airlines operated a late-night hub out of Las Vegas....

Taking a look at their February 1988 timetable:

Departing Las Vegas:

To Albuquerque 12:30am-2:50am
To Austin 2:40am-6:15am
To Calgary 12:30am-4:05am
To Chicago O'Hare 1:30am-6:35am
To Colorado Springs 12:30am-2:55am
To Denver 12:30am-3:00am
To Los Angeles 12:30am-1:30am
To Los Angeles 1:45am-2:45am
To Lubbock 1:45am-5:30am
To Oakland 12:45am-2:00am
To Omaha 12:30am-4:50am
To Ontario 12:30am-1:20am
To Phoenix 12:30am-2:40am
To Phoenix 1:45am-3:55am
To Portland 1:45am-3:45am
To Salt Lake City 1:40am-3:50am
To San Diego 1:40am-2:45am
To San Francisco 12:45am-2:00am
To Seattle/Tacoma 1:40am-4:00am
To Tucson 1:30am-3:40am

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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:03 am

This summer, United will have a 0500 dptr from ORD to EWR....
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:13 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 70):
Plus, as I think has been mentioned, America West Airlines operated a late-night hub out of Las Vegas....

What a worthless bank of flights! I can understand the flights going East, but seriously who wants to arrive into LAX at 2:45am from LAS? What kind of people flew on such flights?
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 72):
What a worthless bank of flights! I can understand the flights going East, but seriously who wants to arrive into LAX at 2:45am from LAS? What kind of people flew on such flights?

I don't know....

Look at their schedules at the time....

From Baltimore:

Depart BWI at 10:30pm.... and still connect to Los Angeles, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Phoenix, Portland, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Seattle, Tucson.... all arriving in the early morning hours.

From Chicago O'Hare:

Depart ORD at 11:10pm.... and still connect to Austin, Los Angeles, Midland/Odessa, Portand, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Salt Lake City or Tucson... all arriving in the early morning hours.

Leave JFK at 9:00pm...and still get to Albuquerque, Calgary, Colorado Springs, Denver, Los Angeles, Oakland, Omtario, Phoenix, Pueblo, Salt Lake City, San Diego, San Francisco, Tuscon or Yuma before the sun rises.

Might not have been the BEST schedule, but for people wanting to leave the east coast late at night and still go west.... it seems like it may have worked out for them.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:47 am

SQ form SIN to SYD departs at 0:45 am
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 73):
Might not have been the BEST schedule, but for people wanting to leave the east coast late at night and still go west.... it seems like it may have worked out for them

No carrier today offers a similar schedule (late evening dep from East coast, early morning arr in the West coast), so it seems it wasnt that great if an idea.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:51 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 73):
Might not have been the BEST schedule, but for people wanting to leave the east coast late at night and still go west.... it seems like it may have worked out for them

No carrier today offers a similar schedule (late evening dep from East coast, early morning arr in the West coast), so it seems it wasnt that great of an idea.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 76):
No carrier today offers a similar schedule (late evening dep from East coast, early morning arr in the West coast), so it seems it wasnt that great of an idea.

Sorry.... where did I say it was a great idea? I was just providing an example. But, if you can quote where I said it was a "great idea" I would be more than willing to admit it.

So please... show me where I said it was a "great idea."
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 77):
Sorry.... where did I say it was a great idea? I was just providing an example. But, if you can quote where I said it was a "great idea" I would be more than willing to admit it.

Please, don't understand me wrong. I just said that no airline today offers the same schedule, therefore it wasn't a good experiment. It wasn't a direct reply to you, more of an thought I just threw out. By the way, thanks for taking the time to provide that info about AW's late bank at LAS. I think that takes the cake of worst/ earliest flights, as I wouldn't count early long haul flights that many mention out of DXB/SIN/India. Those flights will cross many time zones and are long enough to get sleep on.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 76):
No carrier today offers a similar schedule (late evening dep from East coast, early morning arr in the West coast), so it seems it wasnt that great of an idea.

Oh please B747forever.... I cannot wait to hear how your infinite wisdom that you have obtained in your 21-24 years of life can enlighten me!

I am dying to hear from you and how you can shed light on an example I gave from 20 years ago is not pertinent today!

Please!!! Let me hear from you!
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 79):

Wow, why turn so offensive suddenly? I already explained in the post above that it wasn't directed to you.
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 17):

I've done the 1-something ANC-PHX flight on US

Lots of lower 48 bound flights at those hours
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 6:33 am

More on the mid-con Vegas red eyes that others have posted about.... Some of the were on CRJs. Those were brutal!
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Thu May 16, 2013 10:38 pm

The KLM flight CAI-AMS leaves about 3:30am. Believe me, that sucked! The crying children didn't seem to like it much either.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Sat May 18, 2013 8:05 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 70):
Plus, as I think has been mentioned, America West Airlines operated a late-night hub out of Las Vegas

I remember some coworkers at a summer job back in 2005 doing Vegas weekends on HP and arriving back into SEA on Monday morning at ~0230 and then going to work later that morning. Needless to say, they weren't very productive those days...
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Sat May 18, 2013 9:35 am

Quoting angmoh (Reply 11):

Don't talk to me about the BLR-SIN and MAA-SIN flights. They are killers because of their timing..

Thats not as bad as EK's BLR-DXB departure, which leaves at like nearly 4 am from BLR. It requires you to get to the airport by at least 1 am. SQ's is somewhat better, i think that leaves around 11 pm. KA's BLR-HKG is also at like 2-2:30 am as well.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Sat May 18, 2013 12:46 pm

The earliest flight that leaves MNL is MNL-ICN on Z2, which leaves just a little after midnight (KE leaves twenty minutes later). The earliest domestic flight, meanwhile, is MNL-CEB on 5J, which leaves at 3:25 am.
 
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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Sun May 19, 2013 12:24 am

The flight from MAA to FRA departs at 1:30 AM, and most flights from MAA to LHR and also other Middle Eastern destinations depart between 5 and 6 AM.

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RE: Worlds Earliest Depatures, How Early Do They G

Sun May 19, 2013 2:54 am

I flew MAA to BRU a few years ago. I think we departed somewhere around 2:30 a.m.

Earliest domenstic I've flown on is on the order of 5:30, 6:00 . . . . not fun, but it usually beats the delays and crowds.

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