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The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:39 pm

Greetings all!

The world of civil aviation, as large and dynamic as it is, can also be rather insular and word tends to get around quickly. One of the results of this tight knit community is that rumors tend to fly (no pun intended) fast and furious around the community.

I fly for a large US carrier, and one of my favorites (and also one of the most absurd!) that has started to circulate recently is that we are bringing the L1011 back online next summer to accommodate extra capacity. Someone even posted it on our official facebook page, and the comments were hilarious. Some people actually believed the rumor and were commenting, negatively or positively, about how they felt about this. Unbelievable! I posted the pic below with a comment to the tune of "oh yeah, a few doors, engines and a paint job and our tech ops guys will have this up and running in no time..."


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So what are some of your favorite rumors that you've heard running around the community over the years, true or false?

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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:47 pm

My favorite of the last decade was the return of Western Airlines...which kinda happened...out of Bellingham, WA of all places....wish it wouldve really happened and stuck around though...
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Thread starter):
So what are some of your favorite rumors that you've heard running around the community over the years, true or false?

People here on a.net posted (seemingly seriously) that Airbus could not produce an A380 that could fly. Despite what one thought of the decision to make such an a/c, that was ludicrous. Gladly that rumor is currently being disproved many times a day!
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:06 pm

I'm going on a whim here, but I'd imagine this US Carrier is Delta?

The L1011 would look lovely in their latest livery

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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:12 pm

There was a group in Houston that was looking into acquiring that CV990 in ELP. At the time the plane had been sitting for about 20 years. The leader of the group thought you could just put new tires on it, fuel it up and fly it to Houston. Pie in the sky does exist for some dreamers.
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:52 pm

Not going to happen. If you need extra capacity there are plenty of much more modern and cheaper aircraft to lease.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:04 pm

If it were to happen, I would book the first flight back to the states to fly on it!
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:46 pm

The L-1011 is not coming back at DL. The 764ER and A332 already fill its role while burning far less fuel. All these rumors of DL buying various used aircraft has become the new "When will NW/DL retire their DC-9" thread.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 5):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):

The OP already stated that this is a thread about favorite rumors. Everyone already knows they're not going to become reality.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:25 pm

Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 6):
Quoting UA735WL (Reply 9):

Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)

Extremely interesting question. Maybe even worth its own thread.

SQ comes to my mind. They sold their first A340s to Boeing and later re-introduced the A 340 in the form of the A 345 (although I am not sure if all old 340s had been gone before the 345 came.

And SA and the A 320 come to my mind but I don't remember the details.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):

Some of mine:
*Return of Eastern Airlines-using A 318's and based out of MIA.
*The European Ryan Air wants to put meters on the bathrooms and you'd have to pony up to use tem.
*DL is never going to let go of those oldie NW DC-9's
*A commercial HSCT jet is well in the development stages.
*Virgin Atlantic was going to take over the Concorde after BA and AF disposed of them.
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:44 pm

I dunno where I heard it, but I remember somewhere hearing (or reading) that John Travolta was going to reform TWA out of LA...all i can remember after that is the whiskey shot I just took coming out my nose...   
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
Virgin Atlantic was going to take over the Concorde after BA and AF disposed of them.

That wasn't a rumor. VS wanted to take the Concorde. Publicly speaking, BA refused saying they were concerned about safety because of the age of the airplane. What their real reasons were for not selling them to VS is up to your speculation.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
My favorite of the last decade was the return of Western Airlines...which kinda happened...out of Bellingham, WA of all places....wish it wouldve really happened and stuck around though...

IIRC, this Western Airlines literally lasted about two days before stopping operations.

My favorite still stupid absurd rumor that I keep hearing is that AS and DL are going to merge or DL is going to buy out AS. That one's a hoot! Ha ha ha.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 4):

There was a group in Houston that was looking into acquiring that CV990 in ELP. At the time the plane had been sitting for about 20 years.

Wasn't there a group of people on this site who were trying to buy a 727?
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 14):
Wasn't there a group of people on this site who were trying to buy a 727?

Yeppers...there was quite a few of us that got together to find out what we needed to do and actually try to come up with it, but the main conspirator faded away without telling the rest of us...
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 9):
Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)

Yes, Pan Am retired their 707s in 1980 and then did a commemorative 25th anniversary flight in 1983 using the 1958 livery.
Pan Am's Last 707 Flight (by MSYtristar Jun 29 2008 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:58 pm

Forgot to mention, though not sure if one could call it rumor or just a "paper airline." During the height of the Reagan area around 1986/1987 there were advertisements for a boutique arirline called Royal Atlantic Airways. They would have bought old 707's and turned them into literal flying Cunard style Cruise ships with fancy gee gaws, perfumes with French names, mohair (goat hair) slippers and robes and five star food prepared by a chef from the Sorbonne or one of those fancy French cooking acadamies. The flights would have catered to the Wall Street robber barrons and Hollywood Coke set with premium prices. From JFK to LAX. And there would have been chauffer service from their cribs in Short Hills, NJ, Scarsdale, NY and Greenwich, Con.
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting finnishway (Reply 5):
Not going to happen. If you need extra capacity there are plenty of much more modern and cheaper aircraft to lease.

Aren't there plenty in the desert that you could get for next to nothing? Or is their virtually no time left in the frames?
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:00 pm

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 9):
Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)

I seem to recall something about Air Canada bringing back L1011s for a short time after they had already been retired.
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 19):
I seem to recall something about Air Canada bringing back L1011s for a short time after they had already been retired.

I also recall that. they put them back in service during a peak traffic period.

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 16):
Yes, Pan Am retired their 707s in 1980 and then did a commemorative 25th anniversary flight in 1983 using the 1958 livery.
Pan Am's Last 707 Flight (by MSYtristar Jun 29 2008 in Civil Aviation)

I think the other poster meant put back in regular service, not brought back for commemorative reasons.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:07 pm

If I had the money I'd lease an L1011 or two and fly vacation routes out of IND. I figure between local demand and a.netters I should have no problem filling planes.  
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 19):
Quoting UA735WL (Reply 9):
Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)

I seem to recall something about Air Canada bringing back L1011s for a short time after they had already been retired.

AC brought a few back into service sometime in the mid-1990s after they'd been stored for several years in the desert when they needed additional capacity on domestic and some transborder routes. If memory correct they mainly operated on YYZ-YVR and YYZ-LAX.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):

The L-1011 is not coming back at DL. The 764ER and A332 already fill its role while burning far less fuel.

One has nothing to do with the other, seeing as the pricelessly studpid rumor refers to a need for EXTRA capacity, which the current 764ER and A332 fleet can't, by definition, provide.

Regardless, now that DL has seen the light on the A332 and abandoned the 764ER, we can rest assured that spare capacity in the L-1011 range will come from additional A332 leases. Much more capable aircraft, not to mention one that has continued to sell instead of failing on the market.

[Edited 2013-11-22 15:18:42]
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:19 pm

I once made a flippant and sarcastic comment to another pilot about a looming change coming with our operation. A matter of weeks later, a company memo specifically made mention of said comment and that it was absolutely false. I make an amusing comment in jest to one person, he misses the humour totally and takes it as a given and it becomes self perpetuating through out the operation! Never believe any rumor an airline staff member tells you. Some might be true but so often someone has just got the wrong end of the stick or only heard half a conversation.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:23 pm

Bringing back Tristars would likely just *cause* a (temporary) serious capacity issue on its routes, as half this forum tries to book on desperately.  
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:37 pm

Aside from the RAF fleet, I can not think of any Tristar that I would consider flying on.

I have ambitions to live longer than that.  
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 10):

Not really an airline...but the Canadian Forces had CH-147 (CH-47) Chinooks for a long time, retired them (sold to Netherlands) then acquired some old US Army ones for Afghanistan use while waiting for the new buil F models to show up. Retirement in 1991 to reaquiring a couple years ago....that's a 20 year gap!

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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):

If I recall correctly, VS's offer appeared to be just about PR and designed to never be acceptable to BA, because they also wanted to take the slots, etc, etc as part of their proposed deal...
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:59 am

I would Love to PreFlight a L-1011! Sign me UP!!   I wish it was true, had a Lot of Fun Working on the TriTanic, and would love to start a RB-211 on a 1011 one more time. I did hear the Delta Museum was looking for some displays, a complete L-1011 would be awesome but I'm not holding my Breath.

Well for rumors, back in 2000ish, I heard a Pilot tell some FAs on the Crew Bus, they saw a Delta 747-400 at SEA. I also had a old Western Cleaner that got stories from all over, tell us that a Pilot told him Delta was going to remove nbr 2 eng from the L-1011s, and fly them ETOPS to Hawaii. I had Soda come out of my nose on that one. Had a Fellow Mech tell a FA the Area behind the Elevators where the Ship Batts were was where they shipped Human Remains, that's why the door was so small. When we got the ExEastern L-1011s, there were a lot of Ghost Stories floating around. Made some of the Cleaners afraid of working on a dark L-1011 at night. Oh, and all the Rumors of Delta buying Hawaiian. I heard that rumor since I started in 1988 and they are still going on, in both Airlines. That could never happen, I can't work with my Brother   Ha Ha.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 5):
Not going to happen. If you need extra capacity there are plenty of much more modern and cheaper aircraft to lease.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
The L-1011 is not coming back at DL. The 764ER and A332 already fill its role while burning far less fuel. All these rumors of DL buying various used aircraft has become the new "When will NW/DL retire their DC-9" thread.
Quoting Indy (Reply 18):
Aren't there plenty in the desert that you could get for next to nothing? Or is their virtually no time left in the frames?

Seriously people?? A thread is started about the stupidest rumours people have heard, the whole point being that they're completely ridiculous and never going to happen, and you really feel it necessary to post as though it had been stated as fact?

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
*The European Ryan Air wants to put meters on the bathrooms and you'd have to pony up to use tem.

To be fair, that wasn't rumour as such - it was an attention-grabbing PR move by Michael O'Leary, so although it was clearly never going to happen, it was at least from the 'horse's mouth'.
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):

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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 16):

Yes, Pan Am retired their 707s in 1980 and then did a commemorative 25th anniversary flight in 1983 using the 1958 livery.

I recall seeing that aircraft parked at JFK when I was outbound on a trip in 1983. It looked great especially with the original Pan American titles above the windows.

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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:26 am

Mods, why was this moved out of the civil aviation forum? The thread does not ask for anyone's preference nor is it a poll of any sort. It deals with rumors, both true and false, about the civil aviation industry, both today and in years past. Specifically, a rumor spreading through one of the US carriers was used as a starting point.

The rules state that to be in the civil aviation forum, a thread must concern "Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first." This is a discussion about rumors, true and false, in the airline industry. The rumors, while rumors themselves, are indeed going around and thus factual. It is a fact that these rumors are spreading, be they true or false. This does not deal with the "best, worst, biggest, smallest" nor is it one of those inane A vs B threads that lead to the creation of the "polls and prefs" forum in the first place. Please correct your erroneous movement of this thread. Thank you


In other news, when I was at EK, rumors were rife that EK were starting SYD-LAX service and going to open a SYD crew base. The rumors of the SYD base still continue to fly around, but given how Tim Clark loves to hire staff for nothing and treat them like dogs, I don't seem them hiring massive amounts of crew in Australia any time soon as they'd actually have to pay them well and have decent work rules. Ho hum. The EK rumor mill chugs along...
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 33):

The rules state that to be in the civil aviation forum, a thread must concern "Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first." This is a discussion about rumors, true and false, in the airline industry. The rumors, while rumors themselves, are indeed going around and thus factual. It is a fact that these rumors are spreading, be they true or false. This does not deal with the "best, worst, biggest, smallest" nor is it one of those inane A vs B threads that lead to the creation of the "polls and prefs" forum in the first place. Please correct your erroneous movement of this thread. Thank you

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Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 34):
Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 33):

The rules state that to be in the civil aviation forum, a thread must concern "Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries. If it's happening in commercial aviation, you'll get the information and opinions here first." This is a discussion about rumors, true and false, in the airline industry. The rumors, while rumors themselves, are indeed going around and thus factual. It is a fact that these rumors are spreading, be they true or false. This does not deal with the "best, worst, biggest, smallest" nor is it one of those inane A vs B threads that lead to the creation of the "polls and prefs" forum in the first place. Please correct your erroneous movement of this thread. Thank you

Did we get a response?

Suggest send an e-mail to [email protected] which may be more likely to generate a response.

I agree that this would have been better left in Civil Aviation. Same applies for several other subjects where they always move them to Travel/Polls/Prefs. For example, flight diversions are often interesting due to the impact on passengers and other effects on aircraft routing and operational issues. They would generate more discussion if they went in Civil Aviation. In Travel/Polls/Prefs most people don't even see them and the threads quickly die.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:34 am

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 9):
Perhaps a bit OT, but has ANY carrier ever brought back a type that they previously retired? (excluding examples of aircraft acquired via merger)
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 19):
I seem to recall something about Air Canada bringing back L1011s for a short time after they had already been retired.

They even went so far as to paint them into the current livery of the time. They were retired with the red one.
 
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RE: The Rumor Mill (The Return Of The L1011...)

Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 6):
If it were to happen, I would book the first flight back to the states to fly on it!

Indeed me too. It was one of the best aircraft out there ! Shame it will never happen.

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