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All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:37 pm

There are lots of airports in the US that once had international service to Europe (or other continents), but then lost those routes or saw them severely reduced. The airports I have in mind are STL, CLE, CVG*, PIT, and MEM, but you're free to mention others. My question is simply: what inter-continental routes did these airports offer in the past, and on what airline/aircraft?

Thanks for all your input -- I think we could create a pretty comprehensive list of all the intercontinental routes that these airports once enjoyed.** You're free to mention past international service to places like Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean, but I'm most interested in routes to other continents, not just CUN.

* I know CVG is still a DL hub, but its international service is a shadow of what it once was.
**Some of these airports still have intercontinental routes -- namely, DL flights from CVG and PIT to CDG.

[Edited 2014-09-19 09:43:06]
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:40 pm

STL-LGW
STL-CDG

CLE-LGW/LHR

CVG-BRU
CVG-CDG
CVG-LGW
CVG-ZRH
CVG-FRA
CVG-MUC
CVG-FCO
CVG-AMS

PIT-LGW
PIT-FRA

MEM-AMS
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:40 pm

BNA had London and Toronto service on AA during its hub operation, and used 762 and 72S respectively for the flights.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:46 pm

SJC in the AA days had NRT. Now brought back with NH on the 787.

CLE also had Belgrade on JAT with DC-10s, and CDG for a bit on CO.

Did AA ever fly to Europe from SJU?
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:53 pm

TWA flew STL-FRA on the 762 in the '80's. Towards the end they did LGW & CDG on the 763.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:53 pm

Concerning historic route maps and schedules, http://www.departedflights.com offers some valuable information
PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:58 pm

BNA-LGW (AA)
RDU-ORY (AA
MSY-LGW (BA)

(yes, I know, MSY is not a hub) [Edited 2014-09-19 11:02:55]

[Edited 2014-09-19 11:03:54]

[Edited 2014-09-19 11:04:39]
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:03 pm

DL at PDX:

PDX-NGO
PDX-FUK
PDX-TPE-BKK
PDX-SEL
PDX-YVR
PDX-NRT

LH PDX-FRA


DL still operating PDX-NRT
DE is restarting PDX-FRA

[Edited 2014-09-19 11:39:49]
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:08 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
SJC in the AA days had NRT.

IIRC for a short time they flew TPE and CDG as well.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:11 pm

Not sure if you can call these hub flights, but the following were operated from SEA in the past:

UA: SEA-LHR, SEA-HKG, SEA-NRT
AA: SEA-NRT
NW: SEA-NRT, SEA-KIX, SEA-HKG, SEA-PEK, SEA-LHR
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Quoting rwsea (Reply 9):
UA: SEA-LHR, SEA-HKG, SEA-NRT
AA: SEA-NRT
NW: SEA-NRT, SEA-KIX, SEA-HKG, SEA-PEK, SEA-LHR

And CO SEA-NRT
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:22 pm

Iberia flew to SJU with A343 and A346 during years and many other planes before.

Iberia also flew to IAD and EI also, A343 and A330.

ANC lost all the European flights after the cold war ended, but that was more a fuel stop than a regular flight.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):

CLE also had Belgrade on JAT with DC-10s, and CDG for a bit on CO.

CLE-BEG on JU? Now THERE'S an interesting route! I wonder what the history/rationale for it was.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:35 pm

How about ELP to:

ACA, PVR, and LAP?  

Source:

http://www.departedflights.com/CO010880.html
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:53 pm

PIT-CDG - US 767/333 now DL 757
PIT-LGW - TW L10 then BA 767 currently no service.
PIT-LHR - BA 744 via IAD and L10 via PHL/YUL depending on day of week currently no service
PIT-FRA - TW L10 then US 333 currently no service
PIT-BEG - JU D10 - this was actually more of a scheduled seasonal charter that also operated out of CLE

[Edited 2014-09-19 11:55:53]
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 14):
this was actually more of a scheduled seasonal charter

If we're considering those, then CLE also had service to FRA on Condor, London (can't recall if it was LGW or LHR) on Air Canada, Delta and Pan Am

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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 8):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
SJC in the AA days had NRT.

IIRC for a short time they flew TPE and CDG as well.

Yes, from about May-November 2001. They lasted six months. LGW and GDL were in the planning stages from SJC but never happened.

Quoting rwsea (Reply 9):
NW: SEA-NRT, SEA-KIX, SEA-HKG, SEA-PEK, SEA-LHR

DL still has all these except KIX so they aren't "past". I don't recall that pre-merger NW did SEA-PEK though.

Quoting rwsea (Reply 9):
UA: SEA-LHR, SEA-HKG, SEA-NRT
AA: SEA-NRT
Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
And CO SEA-NRT

The OP's question was about hubs, not every international flight ever flown. SEA was never a hub for AA, UA or CO.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:36 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
ANC lost all the European flights after the cold war ended, but that was more a fuel stop than a regular flight.

ANC still has scheduled service to Europe with flights to FRA and KEF.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
ANC still has scheduled service to Europe with flights to FRA and KEF.

It also has lots of scheduled service to Asia, you just need to ride in a box to go there.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 6):
RDU-ORY (AA)


AA flew DC-10's RDU-LGW AND RDU-ORY when they set up international service from their RDU hub.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:55 pm

Thanks for the responses everyone, this is great info. And feel free to post past international flights from non-hubs -- those are interesting too.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:31 pm

NW and BN each had transatlantic hubs from BOS

NW: LGW/SNN/PIK/CDG
BN: same as above, plus a few others

Pretty much all us airlines have had service to Europe from BOS over the years:

PA to LHR
US to FRA
UA to LHR
TW: LHR/CDG/FCO/LIS
AA
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
ANC lost all the European flights after the cold war ended, but that was more a fuel stop than a regular flight.

It was more the introduction of aircraft with enough range to operate nonstop Europe-Japan/Korea than the end of the cold war. Many carriers were also operating the much shorter Trans-Siberian route between Europe and Japan via Moscow many years before the end of the cold war.

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 15):
Quoting Flaps (Reply 14):
this was actually more of a scheduled seasonal charter

If we're considering those, then CLE also had service to FRA on Condor, London (can't recall if it was LGW or LHR) on Air Canada, Delta and Pan Am

I wouldn't count AC as that service was via YYZ. AC never had nonstop traffic rights between the U.S. and Europe, and even today they could only do it as a 5th freedom operation on a flight originating/terminating in Canada.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 13):
How about ELP to:

ACA, PVR, and LAP?

The subject of this thread is intercontinental flights.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
SEA was never a hub for AA, UA or CO.

While not a major hub, SEA was their only hub for Asia between 1983 when they started SEA-NRT and SEA-HKG (their first international routes other than Canada) and 1986 when they purchased Pan Am's transpacific routes. UA had a lot of connections at SEA to/from their NRT and HKG flights.

Quick check of a 1982 UA timetable shows nonstop service between SEA and ORD, DEN, DTW, HNL, MCI, LAX, JFK, PDX, RNO, SMF, SAN, SFO, YVR. Also same plane, 1-stop service to BOS, EWR, PHL, PHX, SLC, IAD, ICT.
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:59 pm

If we are including international airlines, IAH used to have have China Airlines to TPE via SEA and SA to JHB.and I think VASP at one point.

And Denver Stapleton had CO to LGW.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:38 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 23):
And Denver Stapleton had CO to LGW.

And Western Airlines before CO. Western's "Londoner" DC-10 service DEN-LGW (and HNL-ANC-LGW) only lasted about 18 months in 1981/82 or thereabouts. The DEN-LGW flight operated LAX-LAS-DEN-LGW.
 
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Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:04 am

Northwest Flew

BOS-FRA/CDG/OSL DC-10 all the way
MSP-LGW/CDG/AMS/FRA DC-10/742

TWA

BWI - LGW L-1011 later 762 later sold to US AIR
PHL - LGW B-762 later sold to US Air
STL - LGW B-747 later B-762/B-763 (last European TWA Route)
STL - CDG B-747 later B-762 /B-763
STL - FRA B-747 then L-1011 then B-762

US Air(ways)

PIT - FRA B-762 then A-333
PIT - CDG B-762
717/722/732/733/735/736/73G/739/739/741/742/743/744/748/74L/752/753/762/763/764/772/773/77L/788/789/781/DC10/L10/L15/M80/M90/320/321/319/AB6/312/313/332/333/342/343/346/359/388/T54/IL18/AT4/AT7/DH1/DH3/DH4/E145/170/1790/Bae146/RJ85/F50/F70/100/CR2/CR7/CR9
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:13 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
CVG-CDG

CVG-CDG was double-daily for several years. In 2004, it was DL 777, AF A340.
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:02 am

Thanks for the info everyone. Did TWA or another airline ever fly intercontinental nonstops from MCI? And is AMS the only intercontinental route ever flown from MEM?
 
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RE: All Intercontinental Routes From Past US Hubs

Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:57 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 27):
And is AMS the only intercontinental route ever flown from MEM?

Yes it was. But no if you count FedEx flights.
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