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Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:52 pm

21st October
Never seen 3 go arounds before
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:39 pm

...if they had the fuel...

I think it's a fair decision, they tried, ended up unstabilised with a sink rate alarm and so they decided to divert.
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:17 pm

Diverted to LGW afterwards.

I got a screenshot on FR24 at the time

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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:45 pm

I wonder if anyone else landed in-between the AF go arounds?
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:17 pm

Regs say three attempts and go else where they were obviously carrying plenty of fuel reserves..
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:41 pm

I've been on one.
Air France, A340, trying to land in PHC in a huge storm back in 2002.
Woman in front of me was screaming and praying to the Lord to save us all before we even went around the first time, so you can imagine what state she was in later.
Gave up and went to Benin for a few hours and wait for it to die down.
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 pm

I would be extremely reluctant to put passengers through the experience of a third missed approach unless I knew with a high degree of certainly that we would be able to land, regardless of whether I had plenty of fuel or not. Passengers would be terrified and many would start to question the safety of the airline. Being in HKG where we get typhoons every year I have plenty of friends who fly as passengers on various airlines and they all comment on how scary a missed approach is and if the pilots did missed approach I hear all the comments about how unsafe the airline is.
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:08 pm

I had the dubious pleasure to be on a flight that aborted two approaches in heavy weather before finally landing safely on the third try. This was MCO-PIT years ago.

The Cleveland Browns' quarterback, Bernie Kosar, happened to be on the flight and I remember rationalizing that God wouldn't kill Bernie. I also had the added complexity of flying with a group of junior high students under my care, which made matters that much more interesting.

Amazingly, people were relatively calm. It was, however, one of those flights where everyone applauded when we landed.

Since then I've been on two flights that landed where they took off hours later and a several that went around once. The most recent of the latter was really weird in that it seemed as if nobody even noticed.
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:23 pm

Think they need to get the Ryanair boys and girls in to show them how it's done. Runway 28 at Dublin on a windy day can be brutal.
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:51 pm

Funny. Looks like he had it made on the 3rd attempt, and it's common for the wind gusts to die down when you're that low. Must be been too far down the runway, but MAN's runways are 3000m (almost 10k ft) long.

Oh well. Who am I to judge? I wasn't there.
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:51 pm

Quoting anjin (Reply 4):
Regs say three attempts and go else where they were obviously carrying plenty of fuel reserves..

Which regs are these?  
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting xandy (Reply 7):
The Cleveland Browns' quarterback, Bernie Kosar, happened to be on the flight and I remember rationalizing that God wouldn't kill Bernie.

Fair enough  
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:43 am

Had the pleasure of two missed approaches on a Jetstar A320 in to WLG. On our second approach we were nearly on the ground when the crew decided to abort. Lots of use of the paper bags on the plane. The crew kept us very well informed. As a matter of fact they already informed us of the strong winds will WLG at time of boarding in AKL. We eventually diverted for the night to CHC and I was very surprised Jetstart paid for the hotel and dinner. Back in the early early the next morning and a perfect landing in WLG. Still made it in time for my meetings.

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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:15 am

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 8):

Think they need to get the Ryanair boys and girls in to show them how it's done. Runway 28 at Dublin on a windy day can be brutal.

you need to see the videos i have lined up of the Ryanairs attempting to land on this day  I'll upload that those as soon as possible.  

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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:17 am

Quoting av8ajet (Reply 3):

I wonder if anyone else landed in-between the AF go arounds?

I'll upload the real time sets of videos soon, i wanted to get that one edited as that and then upload in a chronological order   There was an Etihad 777 that went around in between too, the final attempt of that had an interesting stuck mic 
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:29 am

Question.

I assume the pilots of a flight that is going to that destination see the forecast and have an idea of the possibility that a number of missed approaches might be necessary. With that info. (again, I assume) they order the fuel for those potential go arounds plus all the other legal fuel requirements.

Is there an ICAO rule of how many missed approaches can an airliner do before diverting or do each airline has its own SOPs in these cases?

In my opinion if after two approaches you can´t put it down you need to go elsewhere.
 
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RE: Air France Three Go-Arounds And Divert Video

Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 15):
Is there an ICAO rule of how many missed approaches can an airliner do before diverting

No.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 15):
In my opinion if after two approaches you can´t put it down you need to go elsewhere.

Why? Simply sounds like regulation for the sake of regulation if you ask me. The PIC is unlikely to blindly bash the circuit if conditions are unlikely to improve. Equally, just because the first two approaches were unsuccessful is no indication that the third won't be, windshear conditions for instance can come and go from one minute to the next.
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