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UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:25 am

On plane finder (just checked now) it shows that UA is operating a flight from LGW-DTW and says it operates once a week on sunday. I had no clew that UA flew from LGW to DTW or am i getting something wrong hear?Does UA fly this route or is this just a charter?

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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:27 am

Its bringing the Detriot Lions back from London as they played the Atlanta Falcons today in London.
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:10 am

Coincidentally, when UA acquired PA's LHR slots and routes, one of the authority's they got in the deal was for DET-LON. I believe they eventually sold it to NW.
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:19 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 2):

Coincidentally, when UA acquired PA's LHR slots and routes, one of the authority's they got in the deal was for DET-LON. I believe they eventually sold it to NW.

They may have gotten that route in the LHR transaction but they never flew that route....PA continued to fly it into LGW and when DL bought PAs European routes they got and flew the route for a while before selling it to NW. UA also flew MIA-LHR for a season or two before returning the route authority to PA who flew MIA-LGW.

pmUA served LHR from: SEA, SFO, LAX, DEN, ORD, MIA, IAD, EWR, BOS and JFK at various times.

[Edited 2014-10-26 18:21:02]
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 2):
Coincidentally, when UA acquired PA's LHR slots and routes, one of the authority's they got in the deal was for DET-LON. I believe they eventually sold it to NW.

No, Delta acquired DET-LON directly from PanAm, ran it for a while (with a Cleveland origination?), and then sold it to NW.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/mergers/cases/decisions/m130_en.pdf

UA acquired other PanAm USA-London routes, however.
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):

Yes I know they never flew it. It also took them awhile to be able to fly to Heathrow from Chicago.
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:40 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 5):
Yes I know they never flew it. It also took them awhile to be able to fly to Heathrow from Chicago.

Yup ORD, BOS and DEN were not part of the route authorities that they acquired from PA....they got those quite a bit later.
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 4):

That must've been what I was thinking of. Although I think UA did get a lot of route authorities from PA they've never flown.
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:22 am

I'm confused I thought they flew out on this flight...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...0/history/20141021/0100Z/KDTW/EGKK which seems to be corroborated by this article here

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...etroit_lions_make_grueling_tr.html

But there is also this outbound United flight of the same number a few days later...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20141024/0120Z/KDTW/EGKK

Does anybody know if there were two charters by chance?
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:33 am

The UA flight tonight is on a 752. Wouldn't be surprised if thats the "family" flight. I'd be stunned if that was the team charter.
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:56 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 4):
No, Delta acquired DET-LON directly from PanAm, ran it for a while (with a Cleveland origination?), and then sold it to NW.

DL initially operated the route DTW-LGW but then added a CLE tag after acquiring a contract with BP (which had recently acquired SOHIO). The route was operated with a A310.

I don't know the rest of the route's history, but in late 1994, it was operating as MCO-DTW-LGW with an L-1011-500. It ended soon after when the rights were sold to NW.
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:49 am

Quoting toltommy (Reply 9):

This does appear to be the team charter, the flight number UA1837 is the Lions charter number.

It looks like the lions usually take a 753 but as that could not make it across the pond they might have not wanted to pay for a 767 (or one was not available)
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:00 am

Quoting N104UA (Reply 11):
This does appear to be the team charter, the flight number UA1837 is the Lions charter number.

It looks like the lions usually take a 753 but as that could not make it across the pond they might have not wanted to pay for a 767 (or one was not available)

It's not the team charter but rather a friends/family flight. As noted above, the aircraft operated DTW-LGW late Thursday while the team traveled on a VA 787 days earlier.
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:52 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):


It's not the team charter but rather a friends/family flight. As noted above, the aircraft operated DTW-LGW late Thursday while the team traveled on a VA 787 days earlier.

Lions team flew DTW-LGW on a VS A346....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...0/history/20141021/0100Z/KDTW/EGKK
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:22 pm

Team went out on G-VBUG VS A346 , I believe the UA 75W was transporting press/officials etc
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:26 pm

Surprising DL didnt snag this contract
 
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RE: UA Operates LGW-DTW?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 15):
Surprising DL didnt snag this contract

They did in a way...

Don't they have a minority stake in VS?

Where did you get UA was doing LGW-DTW?

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