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Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:11 pm

The year 2014 is now behind us, and it has been a sad year for the enthusiasts of rare and classic airliners. Several legendary aircraft types have been retired from commercial service this year, at least we've seen some special aviation enthusiast events in some cases. While these last-day-of-service special flights are a great way to have a last chance to fly on these classic airliners, they are nothing compared to an actual revenue passenger flight with local passengers.

Here are some of the aircraft retired from passenger service in 2014: DC10, MD11, DC9, Boeing 747SP.

At the same time, three of the world's most isolated countries with interesting fleets are experiencing severe changes:
- Iran is retiring their rare and classic fleet, an increasing number of second-hand Airbuses is starting to appear
- Cuba is receiving new equipment from Russia, and the embargo is slowly softening, so you can expect to see newer aircraft here, while classics such as the An24 and Yak42 will soon disappear.
- The DPRK is receiving new equipment from Russia and their classic fleet of IL18, An24, IL62, Tu154 will probably be retired after 2015. The last aviation enthusiast tours are scheduled in 2015 and Air Koryo will keep all of the above types plus a few more active in 2015 for the tours, but possibly retire them afterwards.

Several other types are very rare now and their time is running out fast. I'm going to start the list below. Please add to this list, along with any up-to-date information you might have:

IL-96
Aeroflot has retired (or burned?) their last frames this year, so today your last chance is Cubana (Madrid or Paris to Havana). Good fares available, business class is priced very reasonably and the fares are bookable one-way.

AN-24
After some frames are parked for mechanical reasons, two were lost when commandeered to Key West, and a slow but steady streams of ATRs trickling into Cuba, the last chance to fly Cubana's AN-24 is on their daily HAV-GER flight, a 40 minute hop with an attractive $41 one way fare.

Dash 7
Until recently it was quite easy to catch the last remaining Dash 7 (Berjaya Air) between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur (via Pulau Tioman), quite cheap too, but the Singapore segment has been suspended and apparently the airline is in big trouble at the moment. Any news on this?

Boeing 767-200ER
Until recently, it was still possible to catch the 200ER series with American Airlines and US Airways on some domestic flights as well as on transatlantic. Now US Airways has only 4 frames left and they are about to leave the fleet. The best bet seems to be CLT-MCO.

Boeing 737-200
Canada: First Air, Air Inuit and Canadian North. Extremely high fares.
Possibly one active frame with Air Zimbabwe.

HS748
Air North in Canada. Very high fares. Possibly soon to be replaced by ATRs.

ATP
Only a few left in passenger service, but fortunately the clock is not ticking yet. NextJet of Sweden operates them to their northern destinations and in January 2014 I was told there are no plans to retire them anytime soon. The best bets are the ARN - Arvidsjaur or Vilhelmina / Hemavan rotations.

Metroliner
Only a few carriers operate these (Australia, Bolivia, Norway, USA).

A340-500
Only a few frames remaining with Etihad and Emirates. Here's a recent thread that lists the routes these are operating on:
EY And EK A340-500 Routes? (by B747forever Dec 27 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Boeing 747-100
After the 747SP has been retired in Iran, at least one 747-100 seems to be in service on the KUL and PEK route, but to be retired very soon.

Airbus A300 and A310
I'm not an expert on these, so I'd appreciate some of the expert's opinions here, especially regarding the sub-series. As far as I know, the A310 still operates transatlantic with Air Transat, while Biman Bangladesh has retired theirs. A300s of various series are active in Iran. Is Kuwait still flying theirs to Europe?

Please add your knowledge to the list, I'd appreciate any news or updates you may have, especially on the following:
Dornier 328 JET, Embraer EMB-110 Bandeirante, Boeing 767-300(non-ER), Boeing 747-300

Thank you! And a happy new year!

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:37 pm

I'm pretty sure that the A300's are pretty much gone from commercia service with a few exceptions. I know that for the A310, you can fly from BOS or YUL to the Azores or LIS aboard S4 (SATA).

The A340-500, if you live in the US like me, is as an expensive plane to get on. It's a shame, I wish that we had some more A340 service in the US
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:53 pm

Happy New Year Soren!

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
DC9, Boeing 747SP.

Can still fly the DC-9-10, 30 and 50. Also, the 747-SP flies on!

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 767-200ER

Getting tricky now, I believe the non ER 767-200 is now completely gone.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-100
After the 747SP has been retired in Iran, at least one 747-100 seems to be in service on the KUL and PEK route, but to be retired very soon.

Their last 747-100 has been retired, it is the 727-200 which remains but there are no scheduled flights for it. The -200 just operates when required.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Airbus A300 and A310
I'm not an expert on these, so I'd appreciate some of the expert's opinions here, especially regarding the sub-series. As far as I know, the A310 still operates transatlantic with Air Transat, while Biman Bangladesh has retired theirs. A300s of various series are active in Iran. Is Kuwait still flying theirs to Europe?

I believe Kuwait flies theirs to Europe, as do PIA IIRC. Also there is Tarom operating from OTP on several routes with the A310.

Active with:

Ariana
Air Transat
Biman
Iran Air
Kuwait
Mahan Air
PIA
SATA
Tarom
Yemenia

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Dornier 328 JET,

Best bet is BA's SunAir of Scandinavia, they have 10 frames IIRC. Can be flown for 4,500 Avios plus £17.50 in taxes.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 767-300(non-ER),

JAL, ANA or DL are the options IIRC. The domestic configured DL 767s are all non ER's.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-300

If PIA have really retired theirs, that leaves Mahan Air who may fly them... but are not scheduled. Or Orient Thai, who again do not schedule them but they do apparently fly.


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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:36 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-300

If PIA have really retired theirs, that leaves Mahan Air who may fly them... but are not scheduled. Or Orient Thai, who again do not schedule them but they do apparently fly.

What about Saudia? I could've sworn that they had a 747-300 in service
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:21 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 3):
What about Saudia? I could've sworn that they had a 747-300 in service

They used to, but now IIRC the only 743 they have in scheduled operation is a Freighter.


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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:55 am

Hi there,

I can clarify some stuff:

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
DC9, Boeing 747SP

As mentioned by PlymSpotter, both the DC-9 and 747 SP will continue to fly in 2015. I expect the DC-9 will fly for several more years in some variants.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Iran is retiring their rare and classic fleet, an increasing number of second-hand Airbuses is starting to appear

It is generally true, but the softening of the embargo also allows to re-introduce aircraft which have previously been grounded for spare parts. Need to closely observe. I expect some classics to return in the short term.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Cuba is receiving new equipment from Russia, and the embargo is slowly softening, so you can expect to see newer aircraft here, while classics such as the An24 and Yak42 will soon disappear.

The CU Yak-42 has been retired since a long time. And I was unaware that their An-24 was still flying? I know AeroGaviota still has An-26s (I flew on two, one of them in CU colors).

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
The DPRK is receiving new equipment from Russia and their classic fleet of IL18, An24, IL62, Tu154 will probably be retired after 2015.

I dont think they will all be retired at once, but slowly yes.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
AN-24

Still many operating in Russia. Just requires to go a bit further east, but assume these will be around for a couple of more years. SCAT in Kazakhstan still operates 1969-built An-24Bs which we flew on a few years ago.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Dash 7

Air Kenya and Air Greenland? I flew on Air Kenya a multi-sector service through the Masai Mara, and didn’t hear anything in regards to retirement.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 767-200ER

Should still be an easy one. The 762 non-ER is currently a bit more challenging and much more interesting.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 737-200

UM should have Z-WPA and Z-WPB active, and sometimes one Air Inter or Inter Air (can’t remember their exact name) airframe is flying for UM. Then TAM Bolivia has three or so active and easy to fly on. Peruvian Airlines also has three active. Then there should be a few more in Africa. Not sure if Indonesia still has some.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
A340-500

AZAL, Etihad, Arik Air. Emirates I thought was as good as gone by now.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-100

No, retired for good a while ago already. One 742 was filling the gap when the 747 SP was in maintenance in Nov 2014.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Airbus A300 and A310
I'm not an expert on these, so I'd appreciate some of the expert's opinions here, especially regarding the sub-series. As far as I know, the A310 still operates transatlantic with Air Transat, while Biman Bangladesh has retired theirs. A300s of various series are active in Iran. Is Kuwait still flying theirs to Europe?

Never heard BG retired their A310s. The A310 is generally still an easy one evident by PlymSpotter’s summary. RO even re-introduced theirs in scheduled services last year and they will soon fly to PEK. I am booked to fly to DXB on it in 2 weeks.
Regarding the sub-series: the -200 is gone since about 4 years. I was glad to nail it a week before retirement with S7. Be careful with the various fleet lists in regards to the A310-300(ET)-version, most of them are incorrect. Only very few are real 164t TOW versions. TAROM is a 100% hit with both airframes being the 164t HGW-version.
The A300B4-600 non-R is only doable in Iran, same with the classic A300B2/B4-versions which are still flying there but in immediate danger. The A300B4-600R is still flying with Kuwait and maybe someday Sudan again.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 747-300

To my knowledge only Mahan Air and Orient Thai at the moment. I am waiting for Mahan to return to scheduled services after the Hajj season. They are currently backup aircraft for international routes.

Happy to be corrected on my above comments.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:02 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 1):
The A340-500, if you live in the US like me, is as an expensive plane to get on.

Have you checked AZAL? They fly the A345 to JFK until their 787 arrives. Never checked what it costs to/from the US, but for example PEK-GYD-IST is quoted for approx. USD 350 o/w which I find reasonably cheap. Sadly the 787 will throw the schedule over and make the A345 harder to catch.

As a side-note, the only real A340-500X (HGW, 380t MTOW) are the two with Arik Air and quoted incorrectly on various online fleet lists. If Lagos wasn't such a nightmare to transit I'd do it some day. Not sure what Arik Air does with them once their 787s arrive.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:00 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 6):
As a side-note, the only real A340-500X (HGW, 380t MTOW) are the two with Arik Air and quoted incorrectly on various online fleet lists. If Lagos wasn't such a nightmare to transit I'd do it some day. Not sure what Arik Air does with them once their 787s arrive.

They are damp leased from HiFly of Portugal, so they will be returned. Could end up anywhere, but I suspect they'll continue to operate for many years to come... somewhere!


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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:39 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
They are damp leased from HiFly of Portugal, so they will be returned. Could end up anywhere, but I suspect they'll continue to operate for many years to come... somewhere!

Hoping this will be the case, however my worry is that this type is popular amongst governments / VIPs and similarly unpopular with airlines. I read somewhere that both were due to be registered locally in Nigeria which would indicate a commitment to operate them for longer, however nothing happened in this regard yet.

Should have done it while they were still operating to LHR and JNB... The only route left is JFK at the moment with occasional unpredictable LHR/JNB subs.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
HS748
Air North in Canada. Very high fares. Possibly soon to be replaced by ATRs.

That must be an awesome one to catch. And would love to catch the Yak 42 if anyone knows who still operates them?

Others I would add to your list could be:

Fokker 28 - would kill to fly one if anyone knows where?
Fokker 70 - becoming rarer
Fokker 27 - is this a silly question?

TU-134?
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:53 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 8):
I read somewhere that both were due to be registered locally in Nigeria which would indicate a commitment to operate them for longer, however nothing happened in this regard yet.

As far as I know they are owned by Arik but operated by HiFly to be able to operate into the US.
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting LX138 (Reply 9):
Yak 42

I know of Gazpromavia, Saravia, Izhavia, and Tulpar. Could be more, have a look at this site which I find handy for Russian types: http://russianplanes.net/registr
http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Yakovlev/Yak-42

Quoting LX138 (Reply 9):
Fokker 28

To my knowledge only LADE Argentina with the super rare F-28-1000 and one F-28-4000 in Kenya with FlySAX (5Y-EEE).
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ai...c_manufacturer=FOK&ac_aircraft=F28

Quoting LX138 (Reply 9):
Fokker 70

KLM Cityhopper, Austrian Airlines, Insel Air, plus one in PNG. Also, I thought I saw one in Panama a few years ago, but can't find it in the list:
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ai...c_manufacturer=FOK&ac_aircraft=F70

Quoting LX138 (Reply 9):
Fokker 27

TAM Bolivia may return one to commercial service, it is currently under repair. It's tail number is FAB-90. Not sure if LADE still operates them, last I heard was 24 months ago when they were occasionally subbing Saab 340s.

Quoting LX138 (Reply 9):
TU-134?

Katekavia, Centr-South, Air Koryo, Izhavia (TBC)
http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Tupolev/Tu-134

Quoting JRadier (Reply 10):
As far as I know they are owned by Arik but operated by HiFly to be able to operate into the US.

Interesting, thanks for the info. Still not sure what happens when their new deliveries will arrive, they may have no use for them unless starting an ULR route. Even today they are heavily underutilized with two airframes for 3 weekly JFK rotations.

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EDIT:

Quoting Loran (Reply 5):
Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 737-200

UM should have Z-WPA and Z-WPB active, and sometimes one Air Inter or Inter Air (can’t remember their exact name) airframe is flying for UM. Then TAM Bolivia has three or so active and easy to fly on. Peruvian Airlines also has three active. Then there should be a few more in Africa. Not sure if Indonesia still has some.

Totally forgot Venezuela, there should still be a good number of 737-200s with Avior, Rutaca, Venezolana and possibly others.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:47 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
To my knowledge only LADE Argentina with the super rare F-28-1000

IIRC this has now been retired - it's just the Saabs now unfortunately.

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
TAM Bolivia may return one to commercial service, it is currently under repair. It's tail number is FAB-90. Not sure if LADE still operates them, last I heard was 24 months ago when they were occasionally subbing Saab 340s.

Very interesting regarding the TAM! The F27s were withdrawn when I flew LADE in 2010, I don't think they actually operate any more.


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Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
To my knowledge only LADE Argentina with the super rare F-28-1000 and one F-28-4000 in Kenya with FlySAX (5Y-EEE).
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ai...c_manufacturer=FOK&ac_aircraft=F28

Thanks for all the info Loran that's great. LADE look very interesting - route network is right in the south and they still show the F28 operating some routes - maybe someone local on here knows?!

Otherwise the Kenyan option might be a goer.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
Very interesting regarding the TAM! The F27s were withdrawn when I flew LADE in 2010, I don't think they actually operate any more.

Would be awesome to fly one if we can track one down. What a classic.
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Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:59 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
IIRC this has now been retired - it's just the Saabs now unfortunately.

      Quite a shocker to read your comment. I had this firmly on the agenda for early 2015. Can you share where you got these news from? I was observing what was happening with their designated replacements, the ex-Avianca F-100s, but it seems this deal has fallen through and they remain in storage in Cali.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
Very interesting regarding the TAM!
Quoting LX138 (Reply 13):
Would be awesome to fly one if we can track one down. What a classic.

A great airplane, but I took two attempts to get on it and finally nailed it early 2013. A very fragile operation, the aircraft goes constantly tech. But Bolivia is the highlight in South America by now, with 732s, CASA 212, MA-60, F-27, Metroliners, etc.

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Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:25 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 14):
     Quite a shocker to read your comment. I had this firmly on the agenda for early 2015. Can you share where you got these news from? I was observing what was happening with their designated replacements, the ex-Avianca F-100s, but it seems this deal has fallen through and they remain in storage in Cali.

Yes and the LADE website itself says that the F28 does still fly. Few months ago I dropped a line to a local contact who helped me when I visited in 2010, to ask about the F28 for a friend, and they mentioned that it is rare for the F28s to fly the schedule now and that it is mostly the Saabs. If you can muster Spanish, I suggest dropping LADE a line directly by phone to confirm when they say on their site and find out the best time that the F28 is most likely to operate, if it still does.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Boeing 737-200
Canada: First Air, Air Inuit and Canadian North. Extremely high fares.
Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
HS748
Air North in Canada. Very high fares. Possibly soon to be replaced by ATRs.

Surprisingly reasonable fares for both of these. Will be flying there routes in Feb/Mar next year and I was surprised at how reasonable the fares were!


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Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:13 am

Hi,

does anybody know, if Skyjet is still operating BAe146-100 flights in the Philippines? Their website doesn't list any flights right now...

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Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 16):
if Skyjet is still operating BAe146-100 flights in the Philippines

Just had a look into their website, they have flights uploaded from Feb 1st onwards. The 146-100 is their only aircraft so I would assume yes.

The other option would still be Star Perú. They have two flying and are identifieable in the booking engine, altough sometimes swapped to -200 or -300. I simply booked two flights and refunded the unused one later.

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Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:18 pm

How about :

Ilyushin Il-62

and

Tupolev Tu-134

I beleave Air Koryo is still operating these, atleast for special aviation enthusiasts tours atleast out 2015. Anyone else operating these types in passenger configuration and in normal service ? Not sure I wanna og to North Korea ...
 
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Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:20 pm

So sad for Berjaya Air, I loved flying their Dash 7 SZB-TOD and TOD-SIN in 2013. Those planes are tanks, I tell ya. I didn't know the plane type was quite so rare.
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Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
A340-500
Only a few frames remaining with Etihad and Emirates. Here's a recent thread that lists the routes these are operating on:

Didn't Aerolineas Argentinas buy a few frames to replace A342 flying? Those -500s should go for a while. On the other hand, the A340-200 has always been rare and will soon be gone completely. Royal Jordanian (flew one last year thankfully) are replacing theirs with 788s, etc.

Others I would like to see on the list:

Saab 2000
Do-328 Prop
MD-81
MD-87
F.100
BAe-146
777-300 (non-ER)
CRJ-100
CRJ-440
ERJ-140
ERJ-145XR
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DHC-8-200
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:55 am

Beware that Etihad might switch the A340-500 to a 777-200LR. Their ICN route was an A340-500 stronghold until the 777-200LR was introduced into service, and there are random periods where the A340-500 switched to the 777-200LR.
Luckily, I managed to get the A340-500 before that happened.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:01 am

For those of you in Europe who are interested in the EMB-120: Intersky is currently using one on DUS-FDH-DUS, operated by Budapest Air Service. You can find the schedule here, just choose Düsseldorf instead of Berlin.
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:09 pm

What about OX and BKK-HKG these days: is it a 737, 767 or 747 ?
 
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Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
Dornier 328 JET

You can get on a Dornier 328J in the United States. Ultimate Air Shuttle operates out of CVG to Chicago and the NYC area. No idea on the price, but it can be done.

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Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 24):
You can get on a Dornier 328J in the United States. Ultimate Air Shuttle operates out of CVG to Chicago and the NYC area. No idea on the price, but it can be done.

Ultimate operates almost daily from Cincinnati (both Lunken and CVG) to CLT, MDW, and MMU (Morristown NJ / NYC). Fares start at $320 O/W to MDW, higher still for CLT and MMU. It's pricey, but tempting for a private-jet experience on the DO-Jet.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 25):
Ultimate operates almost daily from Cincinnati (both Lunken and CVG) to CLT, MDW, and MMU (Morristown NJ / NYC). Fares start at $320 O/W to MDW, higher still for CLT and MMU.
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 24):

You can get on a Dornier 328J in the United States. Ultimate Air Shuttle operates out of CVG to Chicago and the NYC area. No idea on the price, but it can be done.

First, you'll have to get to CVG, which is no walk in the park. From my residence in Fort Lauderdale, I'm seeing FLL-CVG-FLL starting at $600 for nonrefundable Y, and near $1,100 for nonrefundable F. When I flew PBI-CVG-MEM-MIA in refundable F, it was nearly three times that. It's insane how much DL charges to CVG, but they aren't unique, just look at UA and their FLL-CLE route, which regularly prices out for $1,300 in F. I've never known why prices to large Ohio cities are so inflated from Fort Lauderdale, Miami, and West Palm Beach. Perhaps due to lack of competition? Hopefully we'll see lower prices with the introduction of F9's CLE-FLL-CLE and G4's CVG-FLL-CVG.

In any event, CVG is quite a nice, large, quiet airport that is a pleasure to visit

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 25):
It's pricey, but tempting for a private-jet experience on the DO-Jet.

Are you sure it's in a corporate (IE couches, fluffy carpeted floors, mahogany bulkheads) config? I thought they were in just normal airline configurations.

Would you like to see a report on one of their 328s, Kevin?  

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):
How about :

Ilyushin Il-62

and

Tupolev Tu-134

I beleave Air Koryo is still operating these, atleast for special aviation enthusiasts tours atleast out 2015. Anyone else operating these types in passenger configuration and in normal service ? Not sure I wanna og to North Korea ...

Correct, Air Koryo operates both. The Il-62 is not possible anywhere else, but there are still a few Tu-134s in central Russia. Katekavia comes to mind, also Alrosa although this is not bookable I believe. The hassle of going there is significantly higher than the DPRK where you have these types guaranteed (at least this year).

Quoting zululima (Reply 20):
Didn't Aerolineas Argentinas buy a few frames to replace A342 flying

I think this was a myth. Their A343s and A330s seem to cover the A342 routes quite well after they discontinued SYD & AKL.

Quoting eirik (Reply 23):
What about OX and BKK-HKG these days: is it a 737, 767 or 747

Their schedule is still totally random. I flew last with them in late 2013 and it was an ex-JAL 767-300 non-ER. When I was in BKK mid-2014 I saw their 743 was active. Sadly you cannot rely on any info, I'd just go and try it if you are in the area, however I wouldn't travel all the way just for this.

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Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:48 am

How certain are the domestic 767-200ER schedules at the moment at US? I am going to Florida in the beginning of february and looking at flying US885 from MCO to CLT.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:21 am

What about the Tu-154? Belavia will fly their last flight on 29.May. One way ticket is extremely expensive, around 350 USD! I am thinking about buying it, although I don't know if there will be any cheaper way on flying the old Tupolev?!
 
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:42 pm

Quoting ALexeu (Reply 29):

This is a bit more then last year but still a good price. Have you checked fares for connecting flights or a return option?
Overall the cost of going to Russia is at least three times higher, although not sure if it would make a difference from Nauru  
This is likely the last commercial Tu-154 flight in Europe, so I'd go for it if I was you. I will be on it, too, btw.

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Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 30):
This is likely the last commercial Tu-154 flight in Europe, so I'd go for it if I was you. I will be on it, too, btw.

Yup, the connecting flights are cheaper...It's still expansive compared to Biman and KLM recent farewell flights, but I'll try to book it February, hopefully there will still be seats left! And what happens if we book flights but they change the aircraft in last minute?!

Quoting Loran (Reply 30):
although not sure if it would make a difference from Nauru

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Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting ALexeu (Reply 31):
I'll try to book it February, hopefully there will still be seats left! And what happens if we book flights but they change the aircraft in last minute?!

I'd book it now if I was you, it wont get cheaper. And it will be the last chance unless you go to central Russia. Its not comparable to the farewell flights which were shorter and had usually a full load of pax onboard (this flight will be over 2hrs and may not get full). One rotation of the Tu-154 to WAW had cost an extra EUR 6'000 in fuel alone last year which has to be added to the fare, plus possibly higher landing fees due to noise.

The risk of an equipment change is always there, it's unfortunately part of this hobby. I can't count how many equipment changes I already had over the years. Also, we had it last year on the return flight ex-MSQ because the Tu-154 was needed on a charter flight. What I heard is that the risk of a change of the departure airport is somewhat higher, it could go last minute to PRG or WAW again. Be prepared to have a flexible ticket to get to the departure airport.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 22):
For those of you in Europe who are interested in the EMB-120: Intersky is currently using one on DUS-FDH-DUS, operated by Budapest Air Service. You can find the schedule here, just choose Düsseldorf instead of Berlin.

That could be interesting. Maybe one of the only ones flying in Western Europe?

I'm trying to do a Channel Islands trip to catch the Trislander, ATR-72 (I know, but they never come here!) and potentially something else. Does anyone know the best routing ex LON or SOU? Perhaps LCY-GCI-ACI-SOU? I've heard there are Do228's on the ACI route now and maybe even Let 410's! The AT7, D228, Let and Trislander on one trip would be awesome. If someone knows which exact flights to catch or avoid that would be great.
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Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:08 pm

What's the dates and destinations for he Belavia flight/s....?
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):
I've heard there are Do228's on the ACI route now and maybe even Let 410's!

I've booked IOM-BHD flight in April, only to fly the Let-410 (well and visit the new territory...)

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):
That could be interesting. Maybe one of the only ones flying in Western Europe?

Last year I flew OSI-ZAG-RJK-SPU-DBV with Brasilia. Perhaps I'll write a trip report later.

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 34):
What's the dates and destinations for he Belavia flight/s....?

29.May GVA-MSQ. A very long flight, I've expected PRG or WAW as Loran said, but I guess it has something to do with with Switzerland not being part of EU?
 
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Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:25 pm

Any other dates / routes for the 154....?
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):
Does anyone know the best routing ex LON or SOU? Perhaps LCY-GCI-ACI-SOU?

I did SOU-ACI-GCI two years ago on the Trislander and then LGW-GCI on the ATR in October 2013.

Seems like Aurigny are using something that Kayak doesn't know on SOU-ACI-GCI, which usually means "something rare", i.e. a Trislander. Your alternative would be Blue Islands (ATR 72) from SOU direct to GCI. But I do recommend trying the Trislander on something longer than e.g. GCI-JER - which, incidentally, both Aurigny and Blue Islands operate with ATR 42s. IMHO, hopping from one island to the other on something that isn't tiny makes it more interesting.

As for your way back to London, I don't know of any L-410s to Heathwick or Stanton. There is Citywing from JER to GLO (and on to IOM), but Gloucester to London is a bit of a hike. My solution to this was JER-SEN on Easyjet the first time (just to add another "London" airport to my collection) and JER-LGW on BA the second time - only because I wanted to see how bad their 734s really are.

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):
I've heard there are Do228's on the ACI route now and maybe even Let 410's!

The Do228 was wet-leased from Portugal, IIRC, and trialled as a replacement for the Trislander. But I don't know of a decision being made quite yet. If you did decide to hop on an L-410 from JER to IOM via GLO, you could then fly a Saab 2000 back to LCY - after taking the steam train from Douglas to the airport, obviously.  

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 36):
Any other dates / routes for the 154....?

anyone...?
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
have a look at this site which I find handy for Russian types: http://russianplanes.net/registr
http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Y...ak-42

If you understand Russian, yes ...  
 
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 36):
Any other dates / routes for the 154....?

Do you specifically mean Belavia? To my knowledge the GVA rotation end of May is the only one. All other Belavia Tu-154 flights are charters to the Black Sea, etc.

But there are still a few Tu-154 flights in Russia. Where and when, I dont know in detail. But I think Gazpromavia and Alrosa should still have a few services. I myself want to fly on a Russian Tu-154 this summer, once I find out details I will share it here.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 39):
If you understand Russian, yes ...  

Fair point. I don't know Russian myself, but I can read the alphabet and sort of get along in combination with Google Translate.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:40 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 17):

Just had a look into their website, they have flights uploaded from Feb 1st onwards. The 146-100 is their only aircraft so I would assume yes.
Quoting Skyeurope (Reply 16):

Hi,

does anybody know, if Skyjet is still operating BAe146-100 flights in the Philippines? Their website doesn't list any flights right now...

Just my advice, but do NOT book Skyjet in Philippines. Their aircraft is hardly flying, the risk of your flight get cancelled is very very high and they have loads of people hunting after this lunatic airline to get their money back (there is even a facebook page against Skyjet and it's operations).

I was booked on them last year, flight got cancelled 4 days prior my trip and I was already in Philippines, without good and affordable options to get away. Then the not so cheap Skyjet fare got finally refunded after 100's of phonecalls with their offices. Refund came on a written cheque. A Filipino friend of me had to go to a bank to get it cashed.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:25 am

Are there any flights available on the Casa C212 & CN235, GAF Nomad, AN-28 and Shorts 330?

I believe the last Nord 262 in the Congo is no longer flying.

Quoting aloges (Reply 37):
The Do228 was wet-leased from Portugal, IIRC, and trialled as a replacement for the Trislander. But I don't know of a decision being made quite yet

I hope the postpone it at long as possible, I guess I must find a way to get on the BNT next time I am over... last time I looked and I could fly GR from SOU to JER then to ACI on the BNT, back to JER and Blue Island back to SOU on a J31.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:52 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
Quoting Loran (Reply 11):
To my knowledge only LADE Argentina with the super rare F-28-1000

IIRC this has now been retired - it's just the Saabs now unfortunately.

Just had a look on the LADE website. It does quote a schedule for February with types, and the F-28-1000 is still on it.

http://lade.com.ar/destinos.php

Hope this info is still current, only a phone call can clarify.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 42):
Are there any flights available on the Casa C212 & CN235, GAF Nomad, AN-28 and Shorts 330?

I believe the last Nord 262 in the Congo is no longer flying.

CASA 212-100: Bolivia with TAM ex-Trinidad
An-28: A few in Russia (Vostok for example) or Tajikistan ex-Khorog (interesting flight!)
SD-330: No more Pax from what I know, but a few freighters. I failed so far to get on one.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:18 pm

Has anyone booked ticket with the Polish carrier Sprintair? Looking to fly on their Saab 340A, and it seems one is not able to pay for the tickets by credit card.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):

Has anyone booked ticket with the Polish carrier Sprintair? Looking to fly on their Saab 340A, and it seems one is not able to pay for the tickets by credit card.

Just asked a friend who flew them recently. He paid at their counter in WAW. Another way is to pay with an IBAN bank transfer, according to him.

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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 46):
Just asked a friend who flew them recently. He paid at their counter in WAW. Another way is to pay with an IBAN bank transfer, according to him.

Okay, but did he book the reservation online before, and just showed up when checking in and paid for it?


Also would you mind asking him if it is possible to do an immediate return. Looking to fly WAW-IEG-WAW with a 35 minute stop.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:56 am

Little bit from me about the A340s.
The -500s, both Arik Air and Azerbaijan fly to JFK.
Does anyone know if the Riga-JFK leg on Azerbaijan is 5th freedom?

As for the A340-200s, you guys still have a chance but it'll be tough. Check this link out:
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...set-to-take-delivery-of-first-a340

As for Iran Air, not sure if mentioned, but they fly a 747-200 there to KUL now. Does anyone know how much would regular cheapest fare would be with them roundtrip? This is a 2016 goal for me.

In Cuba, check out Aerogaviota and their An-24/26s. They also have a Mil-8 in the fleet but I don't know what the heck they use that for.
Don't forget Cubana and their An158s domestic rides.

Conviasa still has 737-200s derping up and about.

Kosmos and Alrosa in Russia still haul around their old trijet Tupolevs...from the Moscow airports too, dirt cheap fares...if I lived in Europe I would have done a couple of rounds on those.

Hope any of that helps anyone, and sorry if something I said is a repeat from earlier in the thread.
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RE: Flying Rare / Classic Aircraft In 2015 (Q1)

Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:18 am

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 48):
Does anyone know if the Riga-JFK leg on Azerbaijan is 5th freedom?

You're messing it up with Uzbekistan operating Tashkent - Riga - New York JFK once weekly on their 767-300. The Azerbaijan flight is non stop.

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