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Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:10 am

Feel free to point out if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it with a search.

What are the best cities to live in if what you value most is number of destinations reachable with a non-stop flight?

My guess is that the non-overlapping nature of LHR/LCY business routes and STN/LTN/LGW leisure/secondary routes make London top dog, but I could see a similar logic making NY a contender. Does anyone have the numbers?
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:16 am

I would also place Hong Kong pretty high up on such a list.

However, if you want to look at it in terms of which city can reach the most destinations non-stop, Istanbul would be towards the top of the list. Having said that, Dubai seems to be the current city with the most potential in terms of being connected because of EK but Istanbul is ideally located geographically speaking.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:39 am

If it is number of countries/desinations - IST through TK

If you want major cities and all continents (bar Antarctica) it would be DXB (TK misses out Australia). I was in awe of the FIDS in Terminal 3 at DXB when I last transited through DXB, EK/DXN is a truly remarkable airline/airport.

Now whether you would want to live in DXB in summer when temperatures range from 40-50 degrees Celsius is another story.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:16 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
If it is number of countries/desinations - IST through TK

There is a difference between:

- the network of a single carrier
- the connectivity of an individual airport.
- the all-over connectivity of a city with multiple airports.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:59 am

I would guess that the questioner already has the right answer in London, on the basis that their question refers to the number of Cities reachable with a non stop flight. FR and U2 operate to in the region of 100 European Cities from their London bases, some of these are duplications, but quite a number aren't. BA whilst not having by any means the most comprehensive route map in the business, do serve a large number of long haul destinations. There's also many non UK airlines flying into LHR and LGW. Finally you have the charter flights from LGW, LTN and STN to lots of short and long haul resorts.

If you are talking Countries, or even routes by one airline it would be a different answer.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
I would guess that the questioner already has the right answer in London, on the basis that their question refers to the number of Cities reachable with a non stop flight. FR and U2 operate to in the region of 100 European Cities from their London bases, some of these are duplications, but quite a number aren't. BA whilst not having by any means the most comprehensive route map in the business, do serve a large number of long haul destinations. There's also many non UK airlines flying into LHR and LGW. Finally you have the charter flights from LGW, LTN and STN to lots of short and long haul resorts.

Without having the exact stats to compare, I think you must be right. LGW serves just under 200 destinations, LHR 185, LCY 48, STN has more than 150, and LTN just under 100 I think. Now a good chunk would be duplicates but a significant number won't be given the mix of business / leisure focused routes and airline operating models (e.g. LCC's to secondary airports). My rough guess is the total is somewhere in the region of 350.

As you say, if it one airport and one airline then IST and TK.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 3):
There is a difference between:

- the network of a single carrier
- the connectivity of an individual airport.
- the all-over connectivity of a city with multiple airports.
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):

If you are talking Countries, or even routes by one airline it would be a different answer.
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 5):
Without having the exact stats to compare, I think you must be right. LGW serves just under 200 destinations, LHR 185, LCY 48, STN has more than 150, and LTN just under 100 I think. Now a good chunk would be duplicates but a significant number won't be given the mix of business / leisure focused routes and airline operating models (e.g. LCC's to secondary airports). My rough guess is the total is somewhere in the region of 350.

As you say, if it one airport and one airline then IST and TK.

Another interesting variable to add to these issues are - the number of population connected.

So, not the number of cities (single or all carries) or countries ... but the overall population. That may be biased towards heavily populated countries ... but overall, that would be a nice indicator of how much your city is really 'connected' ... just my   
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Paris and London must be high in the list, also New York.

In a second step I'd put Dubai, Istanbul and Hong Kong.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:19 pm

DXB bar none

They have nonstop flights to every continent
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:35 pm

The developing trend to 1Stop somewhat obviates 'best connected'. A dozen flights a day to various cities and continents along with expeditious connections enables great connections for even small cities.

And it is interesting that repeatedly EK and Dubai is noted as perhaps the best connected, and it really is built around a 1Stop model.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
Paris and London must be high in the list, also New York.

In a second step I'd put Dubai, Istanbul and Hong Kong.

I'd also add in Frankfurt. They have more international destinations than any other airport in the world.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 8):
DXB bar none

They have nonstop flights to every continent

The question was Cities. not continents. Addtionally I'm not as yet aware that EK fly to Antarctica
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:04 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):
Addtionally I'm not as yet aware that EK fly to Antarctica

Yeah, I believe that they are looking at a DXB-McMurdo (NPGZ) run with a '380'   .
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):
What are the best cities to live in if what you value most is number of destinations reachable with a non-stop flight?

My guess is that the non-overlapping nature of LHR/LCY business routes and STN/LTN/LGW leisure/secondary routes make London top dog, but I could see a similar logic making NY a contender. Does anyone have the numbers?

did a little home work
using your example and distance of metro airport from city center (LGW being furthest from LON city center) (39mi)
NYC has the following (airports with fewest destinations listed 1st and following airports only add to destinations w/o duplication)

FRG - 1
MMU - 2
TEB - 2
HPN - 14
LGA - 62
EWR - 107
JFK - 72

Total - 260
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:30 pm

I remember hearing MAN had routes to over 200 airports.

As a city though I would say London, Dubai, Istanbul, Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):

Lol


Every continent with people on it.


And being connected nonstop to every continent would be very relevant here.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting Eltomzo (Thread starter):
Feel free to point out if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it with a search.

What are the best cities to live in if what you value most is number of destinations reachable with a non-stop flight?

My guess is that the non-overlapping nature of LHR/LCY business routes and STN/LTN/LGW leisure/secondary routes make London top dog, but I could see a similar logic making NY a contender. Does anyone have the numbers

North America
LA, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Dallas, Houston, Miami (lack Asia non stops though), Atlanta, Toronto, Vancouver

Europe
London, Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam

Middle east
Istanbul, Dubai, Doha, Abu Dhabi

Asia
Indian Subcontinent
Delhi, Mumbai
Rest of Asia
Tokyo, Seoul, HongKong, Singapore (note that SIN has only 1 stops to USA but i would say it qualifies
as a direct same plane service)
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:31 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 10):
I'd also add in Frankfurt. They have more international destinations than any other airport in the world.

Looks like 275 for Frankfurt, with EK serving a total of 145 out of DXB.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:34 pm

The ones that leap out to me are DXB, LHR, DOH, FRA, AUH, LAX, NYC, and CDG.

I wish there was a list of airports by destination count.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:36 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 11):
I'm not as yet aware that EK fly to Antarctica

Well, they may indeed launch one on the "penguin route" so that Penguins can travel beteen the South and North poles via DXB. After all, DXB claims to be at the centre of the "aviation" world nowadays  
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:08 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 19):
Well, they may indeed launch one on the "penguin route" so that Penguins can travel beteen the South and North poles via DXB

Some how I don't think penguins would like to go the North Pole, they have Polar Bears there! But maybe the route would be attractive to Polar Bears so they could go to the South Pole and eat penguins!!!      

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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
Some how I don't think penguins would like to go the North Pole, they have Polar Bears there! But maybe the route would be attractive to Polar Bears so they could go to the South Pole and eat penguins!!!      

There you go now...2 new routes via DXB; "the penguin route" and "the polar express". I guess now airlines of the world will complain about this too LoL.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:15 am

Does anyone know how many destinations it is from IST. TK alone flies to 218 Intl destinations and 42 domestic. Surely with other airlines it's quite a bit more. Plus you've got SAW too.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
The ones that leap out to me are DXB, LHR, DOH, FRA, AUH, LAX, NYC, and CDG.

AMS (like FRA and CDG) also has significantly more nonstop destinations than LHR.

Among smaller airports, there can't be many cities GVA's size (population about 500,000 and catchment area about 750,000) with about 110 nonstop scheduled destinations on roughly 50 airlines.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
I wish there was a list of airports by destination count.

At least there is a list for US airports - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...avel/2007-11-13-intl-service_N.htm

Surprising that DC is way down in the list. It should have been in the top 5 at least considering that is the national capital and a star alliance hub.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 24):
At least there is a list for US airports

That list is from 2007. Not exactly up to date.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
Among smaller airports, there can't be many cities GVA's size (population about 500,000 and catchment area about 750,000) with about 110 nonstop scheduled destinations on roughly 50 airlines.

Helsinki is in the same size category, HEL's speciality is the amount of scheduled long haul routes, 19 this year.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 24):
At least there is a list for US airports - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...N.htm

It says it's a flight-count list, not a destination count. Think they didn't say what they meant?
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:26 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 26):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
Among smaller airports, there can't be many cities GVA's size (population about 500,000 and catchment area about 750,000) with about 110 nonstop scheduled destinations on roughly 50 airlines.

Helsinki is in the same size category, HEL's speciality is the amount of scheduled long haul routes, 19 this year.

I expect a major difference between HEL and GVA is the volume of connecting traffic. It's almost all O&D at GVA (96% in 2013).
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:47 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
I expect a major difference between HEL and GVA is the volume of connecting traffic. It's almost all O&D at GVA (96% in 2013).

Yes in HEL connection traffic has a big role, the total amount of nonstop destinations is around 130.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:38 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
Among smaller airports, there can't be many cities GVA's size (population about 500,000 and catchment area about 750,000) with about 110 nonstop scheduled destinations on roughly 50 airlines.

That leads to where I thought this thread was going: how about best connected city for its size?

It's all well and good to say that NYC or LON have lots and lots of routes, but they're also huge cities. What are some cities that, like GVA, have tons of traffic / destinations despite a significantly lower population?
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:53 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
I expect a major difference between HEL and GVA is the volume of connecting traffic. It's almost all O&D at GVA (96% in 2013).

P.S
In 2014 O&D made 84% of the traffic at HEL, a bit higher than I thought.
 
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:50 pm

Quoting opethfan (Reply 30):
That leads to where I thought this thread was going: how about best connected city for its size?

I'll throw in my hometown as an oddball contender: Cologne.

1 million people and 9 million passengers, however there are some very important "but"s:

CGN is the home base and main hub for Germanwings, which means many destinations on lots of narrowbodies - much variety with relatively low passenger numbers, for both business and leisure.

There's also the competition from DUS, which is just 54 km (with excellent transport links) away. For comparison, LHR to LGW is 41 km and the best transport option is a slow and expensive coach.

Finally, both main railway stations have IATA codes and are served frequently by direct bullet trains to FRA, many of which operate under LH flight numbers.
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RE: Best Connected Cities In The World

Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 16):
North America
LA, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Dallas, Houston, Miami (lack Asia non stops though), Atlanta, Toronto, Vancouver

In terms of North America, I'd say NYC and Toronto has everyone beat. Followed by Chicago and L.A. probably.

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