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A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:35 am

I recently flew on the B787, have not flown on the A350 yet.
I was impressed by the engine flight quietness, the window size and the dimming system, the cabin mood lighting and the improved environment.

My question is for those who have flown on both. What are the differences?
Is it a "monkey-see, Monkey-do" scenario or is there a different feel between the two aircraft for pax?

Also may be a question of carrier, but still would be nice to hear too.
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:49 am

I have flown both. The A350 is quitter than the B787.
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:08 am

The biggest complaint seems to be about cabin configuration in Y-class. The 787 is narrower, and was seemingly desinged as a 8-abreast cabin initially, with 9-abreast being available for high density. However, just about all airlines have decided that the high density seating is wide enough.

For the A350, they offer the standard 9-abreast, but I believe also a 10-abreast high density cabin. However, the 10-abreast is a bit to dense (more so than 9-abreast 787) for any standard legacy airline to adopt (hopefully).

So from that point of view, in Y-class the A350 will be more spacious and therefore more comfortable over long-haul.

Anyway, I forsee this thread quickly becoming an A vs B pointless argument.

And for the record, I've only flown the 787 and found it to be uncomfortably cramped after transferring from a 9-abreast 777, although I did like the windows.

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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:12 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
after transferring from a 9-abreast 777.

That's not a normal 777 config though in my opinion. I've only flown 777 with a 10-abreast config with the different 777 operators I've flown with.
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:14 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
And for the record, I've only flown the 787 and found it to be uncomfortably cramped after transferring from a 9-abreast 777, although I did like the windows.

I preferred the AI 788 to their 77W at 9 abreast. The whole argument about seat width is overblown on A.net; it's hard to notice the difference of 0.5" seat width. What's very noticeable is if you can't stretch your legs because of IFE boxes or other things below the seat in front.
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:19 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
That's not a normal 777 config though in my opinion. I've only flown 777 with a 10-abreast config with the different 777 operators I've flown with.

In my opinion it is normal, but more so due to the operators operating that configuration being around me. Living in Australia, I regularly fly QR, SQ, TG, and other large carriers here like CX, VA, MH also use this.

However, my point being, the 787 felt real cramped after flying 777 in the older standard config to this config. I flew a 737 after the 787 flight, and it actually felt less cramped, but I imagine that was more due to me stretching my legs between the flights, and then the 737 flight being relatively short.

Anyway, regularly fly the 777, A330 and A380, while also having flown the 747 and 767 regularly, none were as cramped as the 787 I flew. I'm now trying to restrict any 787 flight to flights no longer than 6 or 7 hours.

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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:18 pm

First impressions of the 787 cabin are very good, it appears very open and spacious with lots of natural light and high ceilings. The curved walls, overhead bins and door entrances create a very modern look and the mood lighting is always in full swing which adds to the futuristic feel of the cabin. It certainly looks like a next generation aircraft!

Once in your seat it's back to reality, as we all know most airlines have gone for 9 abreast in economy and at first this isn't much of a problem but after a while it starts to feel narrow and depending on the airline and the type of seat they've chosen, it can become a little uncomfortable, even on the short European hops I experienced the 787 on.

I can only assume the A350 is more comfortable thanks to its wider cabin, even in pictures the seats look chunkier and offer more personal space. While 0.5" in seat width may not seem like much, on a full flight I think many would appreciate it and with British Airways already acting on negative feedback on the 787, it's clear others feel the same. The A350 appears to have everything the 787 cabin has, the windows might be slightly smaller (still very big) and the interior design doesn't appear as futuristic thanks to those European tastes but it has a very grand entrance and those wider cabins will make it a winner in my books.
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:19 pm

Ah, but it's not really a debate since this is about people's opinions, which are always subjective and highly emotive here on a.net.

It's the same old arguments ... BMW vs Mercedes, Coca Cola vs Pepsi, and so on...

If we were to stay objective, the facts are that, from what I have read here... the A350 is wider, quieter and smells newer; the 787 is a game-changer and has push-button window shade controls.
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting Part147 (Reply 9):
Ah, but it's not really a debate since this is about people's opinions, which are always subjective and highly emotive here on a.net.

That is wrong. Facts cannot be debated. Once they are established, debate ends. Taste, people's opinions and other subjective matters can be debated with no end.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:38 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
That's not a normal 777 config though in my opinion. I've only flown 777 with a 10-abreast config with the different 777 operators I've flown with.

Interesting use of the word normal! There was a time every 777 was 9-abreast in Y. 10-abreast came much later. To be fair many (too many!) airlines have latterly gone for 10-abreast but 9-abreast used to be absolutely the norm.
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:41 pm

No offense, but aren't these comparisons a bit askewed?

Shouldn't it be A350 vs 77W and A333 vs 787? Or am I confused as on sizing..

the 787 is a 767 replacement and thus a 333 equivalent..

But as far as my experience, I LOVE the 787.. it was quiet and spacious and the take-off/landing was as smooth as sliding across melted butter..
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting Part147 (Reply 9):
Ah, but it's not really a debate since this is about people's opinions, which are always subjective and highly emotive here on a.net.
Quoting abba (Reply 10):
That is wrong. Facts cannot be debated. Once they are established, debate ends. Taste, people's opinions and other subjective matters can be debated with no end.

And I would add to that what abba wrote: If you get the subjective opinion from many, many persons (let's say > 1000) these opinions get objective as long as you get these opinions by scientifically correct manners and analyze them with empirical methods.

So if you ask 2000 pax who have flown on the same airline with both types you will get valid results. (Assuming the airlines uses the same interior on both aircraft, just adjusted for the width of the cabin and other aircraft-specific specifications.)
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
The biggest complaint seems to be about cabin configuration in Y-class. The 787 is narrower, and was seemingly desinged as a 8-abreast cabin initially, with 9-abreast being available for high density. However, just about all airlines have decided that the high density seating is wide enough.

If BA was able to get reconfigured seats to provide a 17.8" seat width (IIRC), it's a mute point. I found the 787 to be great, felt great after 12 hours, etc. all as advertised, but I did not have anyone in the seat next to me so that's probably why I did not have an issue.
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting abba (Reply 10):
That is wrong. Facts cannot be debated. Once they are established, debate ends. Taste, people's opinions and other subjective matters can be debated with no end.

Read the post again, I WAS referring to a debate between "people's opinions, which are always subjective and highly emotive", and followed it up with other two other examples of that type of debate... "BMW vs Mercedes, Coca Cola vs Pepsi" - Why on earth would I think we should argue about facts?

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):

Indeed, but on a.net, fact-free fanboys regularly drag any comparisons between Airbus vs Boeing off topic... with their opinions dressed up as facts.


Back to topic - Even the idea of comfort depends on each person's perception - some don't like a quiet cabin 'cos they can hear everything around them, some don't mind thinner seats cos they have better leg-room, some hate the 787 shades 'cos they can't sleep or can't control them for themselves and other's love them since they can still see outside. I've even read that some people 'feel' fresher after flying in a bleedless air-conditioned cabin - but hey, let's talk about how an airlines choice of seat size/lighting/cabin design make the A350/787 better/worse (delete-as-appropriate)  
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:27 pm

Both planes are very quiet, difficult to say which is quieter because it will depend somewhat where you're sitting.

I really like the 787's windows.

The A350 at 9-across, seems a lot more comfortable than 9-across on the 787.
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:42 pm

Interesting article about the HOT seating width topic from Leeham

http://leehamnews.com/2015/09/04/bjorns-corner-the-seating-dilemma/

Quote:
"Seat width should be about seat shoulder width and the marketers bragging about 18 inch seats would have to concede that “our seats have (only) 19 inch seat shoulder width”."

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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting Part147 (Reply 15):
Read the post again, I WAS referring to a debate between "people's opinions, which are always subjective and highly emotive", and followed it up with other two other examples of that type of debate... "BMW vs Mercedes, Coca Cola vs Pepsi" - Why on earth would I think we should argue about facts?

But that will make the debate very pointless since in the real world, people will fly on the cheapest flight, or if they win miles on their FF programs or anything else excepting "which plane makes me more confortable". Maybe the "confortable plane" could important for Business or First class pax, but most people will not care if their B787/A350/B77X is 9 abrupt or 10 abreast.

Anyway this topics screams A vs B (intentionally of not)

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Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:20 pm

I suspect that a reliable poll of opinion involving many who had previous passenger experience in Y (and others who had not) has already been conducted. This was by British Airways during the early operation of their 787-8 fleet. It was not an Opinion Poll in the strict sense of these two words, but it was nevertheless a good poll of opinion.

The results seem to have been negative towards the 9 abreast Y cabin of the -8 fleet.

Acting on this poll of opinion, British Airways promptly had designed, certificated, manufactured and installed different seating arrangements for its incoming 787-9 fleet, whilst retaining 9 abreast in Y. They must have moved quickly to achieve this change. It follows that the poll of opinion must have shown results early on in the life of their 787-8 fleet.

Nobody yet knows what results a similar poll of opinion will deliver in respect of Y in this -9 fleet. I wait with bated breath!

The above seem to be facts, which I suggest may limit the opportunity for debate among the A v B fraternity. What may be open to debate is if British Airways 787-8 Y customers are typical of the average 787 Y customer, and possible future consequences?
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:29 pm

Flown both in Business on Qatar. The A350 is a bit quieter, but I liked the cabin design and large windows of the 787.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:33 pm

Quoting MPadhi (Reply 4):
I preferred the AI 788 to their 77W at 9 abreast. The whole argument about seat width is overblown on A.net; it's hard to notice the difference of 0.5" seat width. What's very noticeable is if you can't stretch your legs because of IFE boxes or other things below the seat in front.

Let me start by saying that I have flown the 788 several times, all of them in Y and only once in J. All these flights have been relatively short, ranging from 4 to just a bit over 5 hours. I have not flown on the A359 yet. I have however tried 9-abreast 777s several times too, and a 10-abreast 77E only once.

I love the Dreamliner. Love the large windows, the dimming system, the bathroom doors, the mood lighting. AM (whose Dreamliners I have flown in) has a really nice AVOD IFE as well. With respect to the seat width, perhaps it is that I do not allow myself to have a waist beyond 34 inches, and that I am somewhat compact overall, but the width did not seem to be an issue at all for me. It is true though that 4-5 hours is not long-haul, and perhaps my conclusion would be different after a 10+ hour journey.

On the other hand, and solely for comparison purposes, the 10-abreast 77E I had the [mis]fortune of flying (AZ JFK-FCO) was quite horrible. I traveled with two friends. She got the aisle, I got the middle and he got the window. My friend on the aisle seat spotted a row with only one pax and she swiftly moved to that row as soon as the doors closed, which allowed me to move to the aisle. That way my buddy and I had the middle seat free. This was awesome because the seat felt so cramped. My buddy also complained a lot about the IFE box under the seat... it basically took up all the leg space. It is very interesting that our AZ 77E flight was only a few hours after our AM 788 flight. I honestly preferred the 788 and the main reasons were the seat-pitch, the IFE and the design of AZ 77E's backrest. I felt it was a bit hard on the sides, with very pronounced countours that could only realistically feel comfortable for people with super narrow backs. My female friend said she thought they were pretty much the same other than the obvious differences such as AM's industry-leading legroom (33-34 in. of seat pitch) and the more modern IFE on bigger screens. She did however dislike the height of the AM 788 armrests for some reason. My male friend agreed with me that the AZ seat was much worse.

Just my 2 cents.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:42 pm

Qatar A350-900

https://thedesignair.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/pic-32-qatar-airways-airbus-a350-900-c2ad-economy-class.jpg

Qatar 787-8

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/4/5/2131547.jpg

I have ridden on neither type at the moment. The 787 has a very airy, spacious interior. I love natural light, and the LEDs especially. I'm not a big person, so the size of the seating may not be an issue for me, personally, but it may for someone else.

The A350-900 is very nice. I think it has a lot of what the 787 has, just different. I love big windows, and judging by these photos, the 787 would win there (My last two flights were on a 737-800 and A321. While both are very comfortable to me the A321 was especially nice, but was very disappointed by the window size.)
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
That's not a normal 777 config though in my opinion. I've only flown 777 with a 10-abreast config with the different 777 operators I've flown with.

Well, then maybe you should try flying some different airlines   I've logged 73 B777 flights in the past four years, and only two (9W) were 3-4-3. The others were 3-3-3 with one 2-5-2 (AA). The experience on 9W was so bad that I would go out of my way to avoid it whenever possible in the future.

I haven't flown the 787 in Y yet (just W and J) so can't say what the 3-3-3 is like. However on the BA 787-8, the W cabin is probably the best in the fleet, at 2-3-2.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 20):

I've not flown on either, but judging by these pictures I think the A350 looks more spacious.
The windows are closed on your A350 picture so this affects the lighting making the 787 look more naturally lit.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:21 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Interesting use of the word normal! There was a time every 777 was 9-abreast in Y. 10-abreast came much later.

Not quite, BA had 777's delivered with 10 abreast in Y for their LGW routes in the 90's , unpopular with the passengers and converted to 9 abreast.
Funny its now BA trying to widen seats on the 787. must be only British passengers who complain about seat width.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 22):
The windows are closed on your A350 picture so this affects the lighting making the 787 look more naturally lit.


Yes, true, but the 787 does have a very large and long passenger window. Even if the A350's windows were open, I'd expect the 787 to let in a bit more outside light.

Not hating! The A350 looks very nice and I look forwards to flying on one!
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting Part147 (Reply 7):


If we were to stay objective, the facts are that, from what I have read here... the A350 is wider, quieter and smells newer; the 787 is a game-changer and has push-button window shade controls.
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 24):

Yes, true, but the 787 does have a very large and long passenger window.

The windows are great but the electric tinter is annoying. I like to have control of the window shade not be locked out for 95% of the flight.

Both great airplanes, and I have no preference if in a premium cabin. In Y I will avoid the 787 due to cramped conditions (I am bigger than average and do notice the difference).
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:32 pm

The fact that the air inside the cabin is not contaminated by engine exhaust gases makes the 787 the winner.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:37 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Not quite, BA had 777's delivered with 10 abreast in Y for their LGW routes in the 90's , unpopular with the passengers and converted to 9 abreast.
Funny its now BA trying to widen seats on the 787. must be only British passengers who complain about seat width.


Alternatively, perhaps British Airways are the only airline which takes seriously the opinions of passengers?
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
BA had 777's delivered with 10 abreast in Y for their LGW routes in the 90's , unpopular with the passengers and converted to 9 abreast.

Unpopular with me too - LGW to St Lucia in 2000 - "never again"!
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:11 pm

A350:
- likely wider Y seats in most configurations
- more modern-looking (IMHO) bins and sidewalls
- quieter, from most reports

787:
- larger and electrochromic windows
- bleedless air
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:28 pm

I flew the 787-8 in June. I came in with all the complaints about the width etc in mind.

- The windows are great. The dimmers are my favorite features, and I've read all the negative posts about it. Mine worked absolutely fine and did the job perfectly. I could override whenever the cabin crew dimmed them. WTBFD?
- The aircraft is very quiet and flies smoothtly. (see below)
- The aircraft handled turbulence very well.
- The seat width was fine. It could be better, yes, but it's not a slave ship like people say it is.
- Watching the wing during cruise was better IFE than any tv show or game.

I'm sure the A350 is a fantastic aircraft as well. Have yet to try it out.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:28 pm

I think the "quieter" argument is a red herring, really quite meaningless. It is as valid as my asserting that I am not a fan of A because their planes don't feel very sturdy. And can't they "quiet" those barking dogs! Jeez!

I flew on a UA 789 and was perhaps the best flight I have ever taken for a variety of reasons, big windows, spacious surroundings, smoooth sailing but "lower altitude" being the primary selling point. I felt quite well after a long flight.

Spent 6 hours yesterday on a 757 at the exit row and it was certainly quiet enough.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:32 pm

Quoting Egerton (Reply 27):
Quoting seahawk (Reply 26):
The fact that the air inside the cabin is not contaminated by engine exhaust gases makes the 787 the winner.

Name us one aircraft that takes bleed air from the turbine
  
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting MPadhi (Reply 4):
I preferred the AI 788 to their 77W at 9 abreast. The whole argument about seat width is overblown on A.net; it's hard to notice the difference of 0.5" seat width. What's very noticeable is if you can't stretch your legs because of IFE boxes or other things below the seat in front.

Totally agree. As far as 788's are concerned AI flight was the best i have had. AI's config provide better seat pitch compared to UA and AC and pretty much any other competitor.
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 21):
The experience on 9W was so bad that I would go out of my way to avoid it whenever possible in the future.

Agree with you there. I think it's a combination of poor IFE, poor seat width, and poor pitch. It's pretty easy to forget about a cramped seat when there's plenty of good movies to watch. Add to the fact the FA ignored me when doing the drinks run      
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):
Shouldn't it be A350 vs 77W and A333 vs 787? Or am I confused as on sizing..

The question was posed more to do with comfort and feel. The B787 will win in my book against the A333 on age and the same applies to the 77W versus the newer A350. I brought the question forward because the two frames are the newest twins on the market with the latest and greatest technologies. For the airlines it will be price and mission but for the consumer its about comfort and value. For example, I generally like B products more, yet the A320 series always feels a bit nicer to me that the B73 series. I generally credit this to cabin width. (although the B757 owns a place in my heart as it does for so many.)

Quoting tavong (Reply 16):
Anyway this topics screams A vs B (intentionally of not)

Not at all. This is not Questioning A vs. B at all but simply feel, ride and what we like on board.
It was my opinion that things like seats have NOTHING to do with either A or B, its an airline choice in the end? Right?

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 20):
The A350-900 is very nice. I think it has a lot of what the 787 has, just different. I love big windows, and judging by these photos, the 787 would win there (My last two flights were on a 737-800 and A321. While both are very comfortable to me the A321 was especially nice, but was very disappointed by the window size.)

I love big windows too. Took pictures of the wing, just wondering how to post.

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 22):
I've not flown on either, but judging by these pictures I think the A350 looks more spacious.

I am not sure but looking at the spacing between the seats I see little difference in the two photos at all. What I do see is a much larger cabine in the A350 which is not my personal favorite as I am not a fan of shoving 6 people into a VW beetle.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 25):
The windows are great but the electric tinter is annoying. I like to have control of the window shade not be locked out for 95% of the flight.

I believe that is a crew controlled item? If so this would be the same as arguing a frame to be better because the meal was nicer?

Quoting seahawk (Reply 26):
The fact that the air inside the cabin is not contaminated by engine exhaust gases makes the 787 the winner.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 29):
787:
- larger and electrochromic windows
- bleedless air

What does the "Bleedless Air" mean for the Pax? I understand higher pressure and higher humidity, but what is the impact from bleedair?
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):
Name us one aircraft that takes bleed air from the turbine

It is taken from the compressor stage and there were not few fume events in the past. While this is not exhaust, it is still often caused by oil and other fluids coming from the engine.

[Edited 2015-09-11 11:37:07]
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:52 pm

Quoting billreid (Reply 35):
What does the "Bleedless Air" mean for the Pax? I understand higher pressure and higher humidity, but what is the impact from bleedair?

The higher pressure and humidity has nothing to do with bleed vs bleedless air, that is from the fuselage materials. The thing I believe Seahawk was getting at is there is debate about how safe bleed air actually is (google BA 757 toxic fumes, for example, for plenty of articles of crew members complaining the 757's, and other aircraft's, air was/is making them sick).
 
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RE: A350 Vs B787 For Pax Comfort & Experience?

Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting billreid (Reply 35):
what is the impact from bleedair?

In flight, not much. On the ground, on engine start, you'll often smell a strong odor of engine exhaust coming into the cabin.

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