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Mortyman
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Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 5:39 pm

Making a booking on Air France website is an annoying experience ...

I wanted to fly from Norway to New York (via Paris ), but their booking engine only shows options with KLM and / or Delta ... No Air France flights ... NONE !

Why is that ? I mean, it's the Air France website ... Says Air France with big bold letters on top of the page ...

I know ofcourse that KLM/Air France and Delta is cooperating, however Air France seems to be left out as an option ... Annoying ...

[Edited 2016-05-19 10:39:43]

[Edited 2016-05-19 10:40:17]
 
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saleya22r
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 5:56 pm

I tried the same by using the .no web site, random dates, found at least one option via CDG with AF:

06:35Oslo13:25 New York (JFK)
2 106 NOKOslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Economy 2 106 NOK
-Oslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Premium Economy - undefined
34 370 NOKOslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Business 34 370 NOK 1 seat(s) remaining
1 seat(s) remaining
Trip duration: 12h50 / Connecting time of 02h10 at Paris (CDG)
AF 1275
06:35 Oslo, Gardermoen - 09:05 Paris, Charles de Gaulle Operated by HOPDescription of our airline partner HOP Aircraft : Embraer 190
Non-stop flight Class : Economy
AF 012
11:15 Paris, Charles de Gaulle - 13:25 New York, John F Kennedy International Operated by Air France Aircraft : Boeing 777-200
Non-stop flight Class : Economy

But you are right, lots of options with KL and DL.
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting saleya22r (Reply 1):
I tried the same by using the .no web site, random dates, found at least one option via CDG with AF:

06:35Oslo13:25 New York (JFK)
2 106 NOKOslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Economy 2 106 NOK
-Oslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Premium Economy - undefined
34 370 NOKOslo 06:35 New York (JFK) 13:25 Business 34 370 NOK 1 seat(s) remaining
1 seat(s) remaining
Trip duration: 12h50 / Connecting time of 02h10 at Paris (CDG)
AF 1275
06:35 Oslo, Gardermoen - 09:05 Paris, Charles de Gaulle Operated by HOPDescription of our airline partner HOP Aircraft : Embraer 190
Non-stop flight Class : Economy
AF 012
11:15 Paris, Charles de Gaulle - 13:25 New York, John F Kennedy International Operated by Air France Aircraft : Boeing 777-200
Non-stop flight Class : Economy

But you are right, lots of options with KL and DL.

Thanx, but not everyone in Norway lives in Oslo ... From where I live it's all KLM and Delta ...
 
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saleya22r
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 7:10 pm

OK, I read your post poorly. If you live outside Oslo(and want avoid going via OSL), then connections via AMS are better? KLM of flies to many places in Norway. Can't remember if AF/HOP fly to other cities than OSL.

[Edited 2016-05-19 12:27:40]
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 9:34 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
Thanx, but not everyone in Norway lives in Oslo ... From where I live it's all KLM and Delta ...

If AF doesn't fly to your airport, then why are you surprised when they aren't showing AF flights?
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 9:55 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 4):
If AF doesn't fly to your airport, then why are you surprised when they aren't showing AF flights?

Because KLM flies to my city and one would think that KLM and AF cooperated to the point that if I wanted to do the extra segment from AMS to CDG and then New York, I would find it somewhere on their site ... No such luck ...
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Thu May 19, 2016 10:21 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
Because KLM flies to my city and one would think that KLM and AF cooperated to the point that if I wanted to do the extra segment from AMS to CDG and then New York, I would find it somewhere on their site ... No such luck ...

Maybe they dont have any filed fares for XXX-AMS-CDG-JFK starting from your city. Might be better for AFKL to send you via AMS instead of you as a connecting pax occupy a seat on CDG-JFK which has a higher OD compared to AMS-JFK.
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Fri May 20, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
Quoting rta (Reply 4):
If AF doesn't fly to your airport, then why are you surprised when they aren't showing AF flights?

Because KLM flies to my city and one would think that KLM and AF cooperated to the point that if I wanted to do the extra segment from AMS to CDG and then New York, I would find it somewhere on their site ... No such luck ...

Virtually no demand for that type of 3-way connection. They don't want to fill 3 flights with a through passenger when they can generate much more revenue by selling those 3 sectors to 3 separate passengers. That's not unique to AF/KL. When there are many much more convenient connections via AMS, why would you even want to add the extra time and inconvenience to add a 3rd sector with increased possibilities of delays, lost bags, the frequent strikes in France etc etc.?
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Fri May 20, 2016 4:55 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
When there are many much more convenient connections via AMS, why would you even want to add the extra time and inconvenience to add a 3rd sector with increased possibilities of delays, lost bags, the frequent strikes in France etc etc.?

Because I am an aviation enthusiast and want to try as many airlines and aircraft as possible ..... Sorry, I thought that was the general view here on the forum ...
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Fri May 20, 2016 6:40 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
When there are many much more convenient connections via AMS, why would you even want to add the extra time and inconvenience to add a 3rd sector with increased possibilities of delays, lost bags, the frequent strikes in France etc etc.?

Because I am an aviation enthusiast and want to try as many airlines and aircraft as possible ..... Sorry, I thought that was the general view here on the forum ...

If you want more connections try to add somerhing on the US side. Have flown many such routes between ARN-LAX.

My best to date I was able to get is

ARN-LHR-ORD-CMH-DFW-LAX. You should have seen the reaction of the check in agent at ARN.

I have also flown many combinations of 4 flights such as

ARN-LHR-PHL-DFW-LAX
ARN-AMS-BOS-DTW-LAX
ARN-CDG-SFO-SLC-BUR
LAX-SAN-MSP-AMS-ARN
LAX-AUS-DFW-LHR-ARN

[Edited 2016-05-19 23:41:39]
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rta
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Fri May 20, 2016 11:50 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
Because KLM flies to my city and one would think that KLM and AF cooperated to the point that if I wanted to do the extra segment from AMS to CDG and then New York, I would find it somewhere on their site ... No such luck ...

The website is going to show the most optimal routes for people. If it was programmed to show all possible routings, you can imagine how many flight combinations the average person would have to sift through.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Because I am an aviation enthusiast and want to try as many airlines and aircraft as possible ..... Sorry, I thought that was the general view here on the forum ...

There's nothing wrong with that. You just need to call AF to price your trip, or book it as a multicity, or buy separate tickets to force the connection via CDG.
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Fri May 20, 2016 1:03 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 10):
book it as a multicity,

  

That is the only way if you want to force more connections than the usual 1 or 2 stop itineraries.
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Wed May 25, 2016 10:24 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 8):
Because I am an aviation enthusiast and want to try as many airlines and aircraft as possible ..... Sorry, I thought that was the general view here on the forum ...

You need to tick the "aviation enthusiast" box on the search page. They will then route you through numerous stops with long layovers.
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Wed May 25, 2016 5:45 pm

Yeah, seriously. While I understand that we all like flying here... Why should the website show you a "shittier" flight (in most people's opinion, anyway)?

An "aviation enthusiast" box would be great. Perhaps ro1960 can talk to AF corporate to include one.
 
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RE: Air France Website Booking ... Annoying!

Wed May 25, 2016 6:00 pm

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 13):
Yeah, seriously. While I understand that we all like flying here... Why should the website show you a "shittier" flight (in most people's opinion, anyway)?

Whenever I want to find an itinerary with more stops I book it as multiple destinations. That is the only way to pull up such flights. For instance, when I flew ARN-LHR-ORD-CMH-DFW-LAX I searched it as ARN-CMH and CMH-LAX. Surprisingly the fare was not more expensive than a straight forward ARN-LHR-LAX itinerary.
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