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zee73
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OverFly/Landing Permits

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:44 am

HI Guys :
Any one can help me how to get overfly /landing permits ,does all countries have the same procedure or have different formats/forms please explain in detail and if any messages involved plz share the format
 
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zeke
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:11 am

Every country is different, airlines employ people who do this for a full time job, biz jets normally use agencies/flight planning companies which employ specialists to handle this. Getting it wrong can result in denied entry, or denied departure.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:48 am

What aircraft is it that you will be operating? What is the purpose of you travelling (commercial or general aviation)? Will you be self handling at your arrival airport or have you arranged handling by an FBO of some description?
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:59 pm

Suggest you contact someone like ARINC Direct, Universal, or Jeppesen with your specific request, As others have said, this can evolve into huge problems if not done correctly. These companies are professionals. Just the fact that you would ask this question on a forum like this says you're starting from scratch and need some professional assistance:)

Good Luck
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:59 am

If you drop me a PM I can help you out. I work in operations and as such part of my job is to request landing and overflight permits.

The offer is there anyway :)
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:32 pm

Each country is different, each permit type is different. Some countries require only a notification and a filed flight plan, some require extended lead time and extensive information about aircraft/crew/operational data. Even places like the EU are full of little differences and idiosyncrasies.

Also, as mentioned above, the details of the flight are extremely important, and can make a big difference in how permits and permissions have to be acquired.

There are a number of companies consisting of experts in this area, and it would be wise to consult one. These aren't matters you want to be unsure of or get wrong by mistake.

Source:
My job title is International Flight Clearance Coordinator--I do this every day for an international cargo carrier operating 747 freighters.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:31 pm

Again, ARINC Direct, Universal along with Jeppesen have programs in place and ready serve your needs, for a price of course. They are all excellent resources but 1st you have to pick up the phone and let them know who you are and what you need. Like others have posted this can be a real mind field if you don't have experience with the subject matter and to top it off, it is revised frequently so what works this month may not work two months down the road.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:39 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Again, ARINC Direct, Universal along with Jeppesen have programs in place and ready serve your needs, for a price of course. They are all excellent resources but 1st you have to pick up the phone and let them know who you are and what you need. Like others have posted this can be a real mind field if you don't have experience with the subject matter and to top it off, it is revised frequently so what works this month may not work two months down the road.

Well said. Another company I've had good experience with is UAS trip support.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:00 pm

I flew a self dispatched 757 (Part 125), all over the world and over flight issues were always at the top of our complaint list. Having to hold at a fix next to a FIR crossing waiting for a confirmation that we were in fact cleared to enter could make the difference in a non stop and a potential technical stop for fuel and all the hassles that entails.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:34 am

All of this information can be found in the AIP of each country
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:00 am

And when you do get it, don't forget to put it in field 18 of your remarks! Otherwise you could end up with a lengthy delay like BravoOne ;)
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:54 pm

Working as a Business Jet Dispatcher.... *credibility increased*


flyDTW1992 wrote:
Another company I've had good experience with is UAS trip support.

We use Jetex almost everywhere around the world, except for UAS in a single country (which makes everything more difficult when it comes to replanning of the flight. We're thinking of switching to Jetex in this country too). And for Russia always Profijet, which also work as our Handling Agent Supervision at each location.

ftorre82 wrote:
All of this information can be found in the AIP of each country

:!: Always the first place to look when it comes to OVF Permits. You don't want to pay for a "permit" you requested, but in the end find out that a simple Flight Plan would've sufficed for entry.

flyDTW1992 wrote:
Even places like the EU are full of little differences and idiosyncrasies.

Not really. As an EU carrier I might not quite understand what you're talking about, but we also have a Bahamas-registered aicraft, not on our AOC, and all overflights in the EU are smooth (including Switzerland, Iceland, Norway). No permits needed ever. Even Turkey is cool with /RMK ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT. That's all it takes.
Can you explain what you mean? Thanks in advance :)
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:47 am

thanks friends your replies helped me alot
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:56 pm

Semaex wrote:
Even Turkey is cool with /RMK ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT. That's all it takes.


You get away without a Turkey overflight?! I've not considered that and always requested the overflight permit (I too work in the Business Jet sector in operations). How did you come to realise you didn't need the permit if you don't mind me asking?
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:59 am

SJTOPS wrote:
Semaex wrote:
Even Turkey is cool with /RMK ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT. That's all it takes.


You get away without a Turkey overflight?! I've not considered that and always requested the overflight permit (I too work in the Business Jet sector in operations). How did you come to realise you didn't need the permit if you don't mind me asking?


I work for an ad hoc/ACMI US cargo operator and we generally don't need a Turkey overflight.
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:16 am

flyDTW1992 wrote:
SJTOPS wrote:
Semaex wrote:
Even Turkey is cool with /RMK ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT. That's all it takes.


You get away without a Turkey overflight?! I've not considered that and always requested the overflight permit (I too work in the Business Jet sector in operations). How did you come to realise you didn't need the permit if you don't mind me asking?


I work for an ad hoc/ACMI US cargo operator and we generally don't need a Turkey overflight.


Hmm interesting. I mentioned this in the office and we just realised we can save money if it was to work for us and flights operating as '-IG' and '-IN'. I guess your flights being ad-hoc will also be '-IN'?
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:33 am

SJTOPS wrote:
flyDTW1992 wrote:
SJTOPS wrote:

You get away without a Turkey overflight?! I've not considered that and always requested the overflight permit (I too work in the Business Jet sector in operations). How did you come to realise you didn't need the permit if you don't mind me asking?


I work for an ad hoc/ACMI US cargo operator and we generally don't need a Turkey overflight.


Hmm interesting. I mentioned this in the office and we just realised we can save money if it was to work for us and flights operating as '-IG' and '-IN'. I guess your flights being ad-hoc will also be '-IN'?



Forgive my late reply. I don't check Anet as often anymore as I used to. Don't like the visual appearance anymore...

Anyhow.
We usually fly I-N. We only have one aircraft I-G, but with more than 19 seats anyway, so the /ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT rule doesn't apply here anyways (or maybe it does, since Private OVF are generally easier to get. Would need to check). AFAIK it's only for aircraft registered in the EU with less than 12 seats and it must be on the AOC.
If you've got this covered in your operation, just try it next time with the RMK/ as mentioned and see what happens.
Where did you apply for the Permit until now? Directly to the Turkish CAA or another provider (WFS, Uinversal, Jetex, ...)? If it was the latter, I would demand an explanation...

Best regards,
 
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Re: OverFly/Landing Permits

Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:51 pm

Semaex wrote:
SJTOPS wrote:
flyDTW1992 wrote:

I work for an ad hoc/ACMI US cargo operator and we generally don't need a Turkey overflight.


Hmm interesting. I mentioned this in the office and we just realised we can save money if it was to work for us and flights operating as '-IG' and '-IN'. I guess your flights being ad-hoc will also be '-IN'?



Forgive my late reply. I don't check Anet as often anymore as I used to. Don't like the visual appearance anymore...

Anyhow.
We usually fly I-N. We only have one aircraft I-G, but with more than 19 seats anyway, so the /ECACBUSINESSFLIGHT rule doesn't apply here anyways (or maybe it does, since Private OVF are generally easier to get. Would need to check). AFAIK it's only for aircraft registered in the EU with less than 12 seats and it must be on the AOC.
If you've got this covered in your operation, just try it next time with the RMK/ as mentioned and see what happens.
Where did you apply for the Permit until now? Directly to the Turkish CAA or another provider (WFS, Uinversal, Jetex, ...)? If it was the latter, I would demand an explanation...

Best regards,


Sorry, only just seen your reply.
We offer trip support and the whole lot of stuff including flightplanning and permits etc. We outsource permits via Hadid. Always requested them. Never questioned it until now. Everything bar one operator is always filed I-G.

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