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Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:02 am

Do some airports located in quite a warm climate have deicing equipment? What are the southernmost large airports (in the Northern Hemisphere) which have it?
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:15 am

Not sure I can completely answer your question but I have some related information. Here in ABQ we only have 1 de icing truck for all of Southwest Airlines operations which are quite significant. This means that in icing conditions a flight usually has to wait for 30 mins to be de iced. As you go further south even airports that have equipment likely won't have as much as it's not going to be used as much. I'm not positive so someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that if an airport is far enough South to not see freezing temperatures it is highly unlikely to have any equipment. For many cities it wouldn't be worth the cost.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:34 am

Even though it doesn't snow in MEL, we do get quite chilly during the winter nights with ice sometimes forming on the aircraft laying over for the night. I know that QF has 1 a de-icing truck based at MEL, which isn't used very often at all! But when it is needed, it does the job, without it there could be knock on effects with schedules, with MEL being a major QF Hub.

This is an example in Southern Hemisphere though, I thought that it would be interesting to post!
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:39 am

MSY does ..

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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:57 am

I have read before that Delta only has the capability to deice 12 aircraft per hour in ATL. As you can imagine, with ~1,000 flights a day, it can cause quite the operational meltdown (no pun intended) during a snow event.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:08 am

Are Deicing facilities airport or operator owned? I get the impression in Europe it is part of airfield operations.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:20 pm

In is airline controlled here too.
NZ has deicing gear for AKL, even though they might only get used a few times a year at international aircraft. At domestic with the overnighting aircraft they do use it more frequently in the winter, but it never snows here (like once in 50 years kind of thing) so that is Latitude: 37°00'29"S Longitude: 174°47'30"E
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:45 pm

Probably the ones that get ice...
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:05 pm

Any whose code starts (C)Y... And most of the non-Tropical Northern Hemisphere. Can't speak much about the south, other than I do remember a pretty cold night at GRU. Now (useful) snow clearing equipment is a whole other story.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:40 pm

I remember reading about an unusual cold snap which affected southern Florida a few years back. RON aircraft at RSW developed frost accumulations- airlines ended up delaying those flights until after sunrise and temperatures rose sufficiently to melt the frost.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:23 pm

KGRB wrote:
I have read before that Delta only has the capability to deice 12 aircraft per hour in ATL. As you can imagine, with ~1,000 flights a day, it can cause quite the operational meltdown (no pun intended) during a snow event.


ATL has added equipment since then. It can't come close to supporting a full schedule. Is there a big U.S. hub in the snow/ice belt that can?

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/ ... equipment/

Maybe the OP can check FAA records for deicing facilities.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:30 pm

StTim wrote:
Are Deicing facilities airport or operator owned? I get the impression in Europe it is part of airfield operations.


Usually either airline or handling company owned in the U.S.

Sometimes the airline will own the truck and the fluids, and the truck operators will be from a handling company.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:45 pm

In the US almost every airport except for southern Florida have at least one piece of deicing equipment. As mentioned areas that get overnight lows below 40 degress can get frost accumulation particularly if the wing fuel tanks are cold. They don't obviously invest in

De-icing vendor in the US is typically coordinated by the individual airlines, and the pads area infrastructure maintained by the airport. Depending on the size of the operation de-icing may be performed by the airline employees, ground handler, or a third-party vendor.

At small regional outstations in the US, its common for the ground handling employees (who may or may not be affiliated with the regional airline itself) to perform deicing.

At DTW, DL employees use DL equipment to deice their mainline aircraft. Delta Connection carrier use a third-party vendor, and all the non-hub airlines use another third-party vendor for de-icing operations.

Airports like DTW and MSP have enough deicing capacity to handle basic de-icing operations like overnight spray-down, or hitting the major control surfaces, Type I applications. However, in heavy/wet snow and/or Type I & V applications it can take much longer and start to impact operations
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:52 pm

Most Florida airports do not have deicing equipment. The main exception is JAX.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:19 pm

Even Dubai International Airport has de-icing equipment. Even though weather is such where it ever snows. But they are prepared anyway.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:27 pm

Several airlines have deicing equipment in PHX for the few odd days in the winter when it's needed.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:14 am

StTim wrote:
Are Deicing facilities airport or operator owned? I get the impression in Europe it is part of airfield operations.


Often it's private companies who take care of the deicing at an airport.

Aeromag 2000 is a Canadian private company based in Montreal. They handle a portion or all de-icing for 8 Canadian airports, 5 American airports including BOS, JFK and EWR and 1 European airport (LHR).

They are the single supplier of de-icing for all airlines at 6 of these airports. They also specialize in the recovery and recycling of the deicing products.

http://aeromag2000.com/en/services
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:32 am

We have a deice team at KHOU, all in-house for our airline. We have 3 or 4 trucks and a decent stock of Type I with a few new (to us, at least) trucks coming in this year. We deice once or twice a year.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:14 pm

SFO has a single de-ice truck last I checked, but I don't know if it's operational. There have been a few winter mornings where AC had frost on the wings (they were the only carrier parked on the shaded side of the international G) and requested to taxi to a sunny taxiway to melt it. Usually affected 1-2 flights those mornings. I can't recall other carriers making similar requests.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:55 pm

KingOfAviation wrote:
Even Dubai International Airport has de-icing equipment. Even though weather is such where it ever snows. But they are prepared anyway.


I was going to chime in that I know TLV has deicing equipment.

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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:18 pm

kabq737 wrote:
Here in ABQ we only have 1 de icing truck for all of Southwest Airlines operations which are quite significant.


So what transpires if that unit goes u/s.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:34 pm

HAWK21M wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
Here in ABQ we only have 1 de icing truck for all of Southwest Airlines operations which are quite significant.


So what transpires if that unit goes u/s.

I'm not sure what happens if it breaks. Probably allot of delayed flights or borrowing one from American just down the terminal.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:37 am

I've seen them parked on the ramp at ELP. It does get cold there overnight, mostly due to the fact that it's at nearly 4000' elevation, but I've never seen them in use. Snow is pretty rare.
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:05 pm

kabq737 wrote:
HAWK21M wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
Here in ABQ we only have 1 de icing truck for all of Southwest Airlines operations which are quite significant.


So what transpires if that unit goes u/s.

I'm not sure what happens if it breaks. Probably allot of delayed flights or borrowing one from American just down the terminal.


Ok...So you mean there is more than one unit at the Airport........then that makes sense....your statement sounded as only one unit in the airport...I guess you meant one unit at the airline in that airport.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:35 pm

HAWK21M wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
HAWK21M wrote:

So what transpires if that unit goes u/s.

I'm not sure what happens if it breaks. Probably allot of delayed flights or borrowing one from American just down the terminal.


Ok...So you mean there is more than one unit at the Airport........then that makes sense....your statement sounded as only one unit in the airport...I guess you meant one unit at the airline in that airport.


Sorry I was unclear. My point was here in ABQ where it rarely ices we have 1 truck that covers about 10 gates which I would assume is abnormal.
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:35 am

]Doesn't take much to qualify as having deicing equipment, guess you just need fluid and a mop!

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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:14 am

Seeing some of the airports that very very rarely see icing conditions warranting deicing. How are staff trained? If I was taking off in that very rare time that required deicing, I'm not sure I would trust that the ground handler knew what they were doing!
 
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Re: Which airports have deicing equipment?

Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:18 pm

diverted wrote:
]Doesn't take much to qualify as having deicing equipment, guess you just need fluid and a mop!



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