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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:01 pm

The overwing boarding would necessatate the Aerobridge proximity near the wing....would that be a welcome option considering a malfunctioning Aerobridge could cause severe damage.
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:27 pm

When flying Ryanair it always says on your boarding pass wheather you should take the front or the rear door. That way they avoid passengers sitting all the way in the back boarding through the front door and vice versa. In general this works very good. Ryanair never uses any airbridges, they always use airstairs even when airbridges are available.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:56 pm

Emel wrote:

Using your Google satellite view, if you move either left or right, you will find that some other gates on other concourses still have over-the-wing air-bridges.


You are absolutely correct. My bad! I even took a photo myself last March:

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They are gone from pier F but there must a few left on piers E and G.
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:30 am

For the people who think you can't get the passengers to line up in order you need to watch what happens at WN. The line up in order works just about perfectly several thousand times a day. Most stress free and orderly boarding process you will ever see. Occasionally there is a slight misordering because people with different numbers are flying together, but the passengers generally get that worked out in a minute or two. Lase weekend (thanksgiving) about the worst time to fly both my flights boarded smoothly even with many children and infrequent flyers.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:19 am

In KOA we use only stairs--No jetways :smile: Well HA now has the ramps to the 717's. In the old days KOA was the only US location I knew of that boarded 747's with stairs. (receptive to others knowledge). I have noticed that in the last few years the "security" has been vastly upgraded. It used to be one gate agent and one security guard. Now at least 6 people making sure the passengers do not depart he walkway.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:00 pm

Domestically in the US, Southwest @ BUR is the fastest for getting on and off the bird. Having the terminal at ground level makes this ideal. WNs boarding/seating policy also makes this work. Get on the plane, see a seat and sit in it.

The logistics and moving parts this would add at most airports appear to be costly and dual boarding is not the way the ramp and terminals were designed.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:52 pm

Almost every time I boarded/exited A321 or B757 via a staircase it was made through two doors. I also think Ryanair almost always does that.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:55 pm

Almost every time I boarded/exited A321 or 757 via a staircase it was made through two doors. I also think Ryanair almost always does that.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:44 am

A good example of two-door boarding:



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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:57 am

As many have said, it is basically standard practice in Australia, with most domestic airlines.

VA, TT and JQ have it as standard operating procedure for ground crew. Exceptions being made if they are on a stand that does not allow rear boarding, or if there are issues with equipment or staff (sometimes unscheduled operations reduce the number of available stairs/staff), if aircraft on adjacent bays are under power, or bad weather in the case of aerobridge boarding.

As for QF, I don't know their full policy, but at the regional airport I worked at for a while, they did front and rear for each turn.

Basically, front and rear disembarkation and boarding is basically necessary for airlines wishing to complete turns in the 30-35 minute mark (if the aircraft is full).

Also, in Norway, I know it is standard as well, and again, they have quite tight turnarounds there as well.

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Re: Why board from just one door?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:15 am

Only last week I deplaned from a 77W via a rear stairs.

And in Europe its perfectly normal to use rear stairs for boarding and disembarking. I believe its a normal SOP for FR when not using an air bridge (which is 99% of the time with them)
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:58 pm

NozPerry wrote:
At MAN we usually board from L1 as our ground handlers don't have a Pig (piece of tape) to put under the wing to stop people walking under it although if there is another member of staff then they can marshal people around the wing, however down route whenever we are not on an air bridge we always board at the front and at the rear.


You don't have to have a PIG you can just direct them round them wing
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:18 am

stlgph wrote:
All I can see happening is a clustershit of a situation of people trying to get by one another in the aisles because they're standing at row 22 and they need to be in row 6 and took the shorter line thinking it would save themselves time, or vice versa, or trying to by the rest of the plane so they could find overhead bin space.


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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:28 pm

There was a study carried out someplace, where pax were deplaned & boarded in a sequence where the seats were gradually filled from Window to mid to aisle and in sequence from both fwd & aft door saving a valuable 12- 15 mins of time.
This was on a B737.
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:58 am

HAWK21M wrote:
There was a study carried out someplace, where pax were deplaned & boarded in a sequence where the seats were gradually filled from Window to mid to aisle and in sequence from both fwd & aft door saving a valuable 12- 15 mins of time.
This was on a B737.

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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:21 am

ro1960 wrote:
A good example of two-door boarding:



LCC operations at its best: no jetway and no tug truck needed!


I have seen this several times in smaller airports. So, as for the downside of that concept: it seems like it takes up too much apron space per gate, doesn't it?
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:40 am

At DXB FZ operates from Terminal 2 which has no aerobridges - only buses.

Once the bus reaches the aircraft, a staff member scans the boarding passes and rows 1-15 board from the front and 16-30 from the rear (approximately).
Only one door of the bus is opened so that no one is able to go anywhere without the staff member making sure.

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Re: Why board from just one door?

Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:38 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
I have seen this several times in smaller airports. So, as for the downside of that concept: it seems like it takes up too much apron space per gate, doesn't it?


It does but it's done at airports where apron space not (yet) an issue, it allows the aircraft to depart without assistance speeding up turnarounds. Remember the days of parallel parking at airport like AMS. This is long gone!

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Re: Why board from just one door?

Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:30 am

Recently flew BHX-FNC with ZB, air stairs at front and back doors both ends. Also always have the same at GOA flying FR and BRS with U2 That's air stairs though :/
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:47 pm

First, it's a bit difficult to connect another bridge to the back of the plane (over wing), but this is doable (see AMS).

However, unless the boarding process is very tidy, in most cases (as a passenger) I found it frustrating as pax collide in the middle of the plane - Pax boarding from the back try to get to the front and vice versa.

But as previous commentors mentioned it isn't un-common, especially when boarding through stairs.
 
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:53 pm

4xRuv wrote:
However, unless the boarding process is very tidy, in most cases (as a passenger) I found it frustrating as pax collide in the middle of the plane - Pax boarding from the back try to get to the front and vice versa.


LCCs do a pretty good job at segregating passengers by row numbers like 1-15 (front) and 16-30 (back). That's how they manage their tight turnarounds.
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Re: Why board from just one door?

Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:13 pm

All the flights that I have done at WN where dual boarding was used the turn was not shortened. We still had to wait for the Rampers to unload then load the bags. So IMO unless an airline hires more ground personnel dual boarding won't shorten the turn.

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