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Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:47 pm

We have seen it a lot in college football and on a lot of cars nowadays, but is it possible for an airplane to be painted with a matte effect?
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:52 pm

Yes- just look at most military aircraft.
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:09 pm

There is also at least one biz jet painted matte, a Dassault Falcon if I remember correctly. Forget the reg though.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:11 pm

Alsie Express ATR 72 is matte black!
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:38 pm

It's possible but it does affect the efficiency of the aircraft. It causes drag on the surface where gloss is more 'slick' allowing a better performance.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:39 pm

Aisle Express ATRs look sinister, like a stealth aircraft, but stunning at the same time.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:02 pm

I agree there mist be some financial reason for not doing it, airlines like like that..they are even reluctant to use anything more than white paint in a lot of cases.

Also in terms of matt paints on cars 1) they are more expensive than standard paint jobs you pay plenty extra for and 2) Many matt finishes are merely just matt wraps which add weight and are not really designed for whole aircraft (merely sections of in the case of liveries like Smaug the dragon on the NZ 777-300). Possibly there might be heat retention and corrosion issues too??

Thinking more sinisterly, given the potentially catastrophic implications of mistaken identity for being a military aircraft could they just be reluctant to take that risk? or the insurance risk assessment or something of that ilk? I'm just thinking aloud after an 11h shift..
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:24 pm

Matte paint is more expensive, and also requires special care when cleaning (or else you can damage the paint) which increases upkeep cost.

As most matte applications in the aerospace industry is with the military, most airplane grade matte paints are likely black and greys...generally not the most popular colors used in commercial airline liveries. There probably hasn't been much development of additional matte colors suitable for airplanes.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:29 pm

If it were cheaper and more efficient than a gloss finish and in white, I'm sure a lot of the boring European liveries would be dubbed as Euromatte. I'm looking at you Finnair! ;)
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:42 pm

They'd certainly look "odd".

I occasionally see a matte black Porsche near where I live. It looks like a giant non-stick saucepan on wheels. :yuck:
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:09 pm

I just looked at the Alsie Express ATR, that thing looks mean!
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:42 pm

The final NW livery looked matte to me. Is was not standard gray but it was also not very shiny.

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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:44 pm

Falcon 7X reg OY-FWO
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:50 pm

Or every KC-10 in service now? I'm curious as to why matte paint would pose any particular problem.
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:48 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
I just looked at the Alsie Express ATR, that thing looks mean!

Just looked them up too, daaaaaamn that's an awesome looking airplane
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:34 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Alsie Express ATR 72 is matte black!

andymartin wrote:
Aisle Express ATRs look sinister, like a stealth aircraft, but stunning at the same time.

TWA772LR wrote:
I just looked at the Alsie Express ATR, that thing looks mean!

jnev3289 wrote:
Just looked them up too, daaaaaamn that's an awesome looking airplane

Let's have some photos shall we:


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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:04 am

Came in here to post the NW example, and 777klm beat me to it! Always liked that livery though.

Oh well, here's another glamour shot:

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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:35 am

LAXPAX wrote:
Came in here to post the NW example, and 777klm beat me to it! Always liked that livery though.

Oh well, here's another glamour shot:



Final NW livery had a pearl Paint, it looked matte, but it was glossy. Same goes for the last AZ and EY liveries.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:44 am

The NW livery still looks great.

Usually Matt black cars are pimped up cars past their sexy stage. I think chav. Asian eqv is Gold sprayed cars. I think idiot.
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:06 am

BestWestern wrote:
The NW livery still looks great.

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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:28 am

That Northwest livery bothered me because the stylized compass was pointing north east.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:31 am

dopplerd wrote:
That Northwest livery bothered me because the stylized compass was pointing north east.


The other 'tip' of the triangle still points to the NW, just not properly oriented on the circular dial.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:39 am

The matting agent used will add weight, espically on white. almost 40% of the total refinish product used weight added, that would be the biggest drawback. Plus matte does not hide dirt as well.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:42 am

26point2 wrote:
Falcon 7X reg OY-FWO


Same company also owns or owned following matte painted business-jets:

OY-TWO (PC-12)
OY-PWO (Phenom 300)
OY-SWO (Falcon 2000)
OY-ZWO (Falcon 2000)

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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:06 am

JQ Jetstar would be another one, or does it just appear that way.. I think it looks quite effective. It's called silver mica.. http://blog.jetstar.com/post/6542751504 ... eople-have



I assume the matte livery is the same across all the fleet.. I've never taken the time to look closely.. :tired:

 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:38 pm

Its all about weight penalty....In the Airline business no one wants that.
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:19 pm

Rather than start a new thread for a subject that's been kicked around a number of times (read: beaten to death), maybe this is a good thread in which to ask.

The original discussions concerning the 787 engines (not sure if both Trent 1000 and GEnx) indicated that dark coloured paint was discouraged due to the possibility of heat causing increased wear to engine components. This was separate and apart from the laminar flow issue. I've read a number of threads on this issue earlier on in 787 production, but I haven't seen an explanation as to why BA stuck with their standard blue nacelle paint. Is the theoretical wear issue not supported by operational evidence? Or did BA simply decide to bite the bullet? In contrast, I notice that the renderings of Delta 787s all have white nacelles rather than their standard blue.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:28 am

caoimhin wrote:
Rather than start a new thread for a subject that's been kicked around a number of times (read: beaten to death), maybe this is a good thread in which to ask.

The original discussions concerning the 787 engines (not sure if both Trent 1000 and GEnx) indicated that dark coloured paint was discouraged due to the possibility of heat causing increased wear to engine components. This was separate and apart from the laminar flow issue. I've read a number of threads on this issue earlier on in 787 production, but I haven't seen an explanation as to why BA stuck with their standard blue nacelle paint. Is the theoretical wear issue not supported by operational evidence? Or did BA simply decide to bite the bullet? In contrast, I notice that the renderings of Delta 787s all have white nacelles rather than their standard blue.



I haven't heard of the heat justification, but have you seen this article?
http://www.skytalk.co.nz/?p=3412

Boeing says it is evaluating customer requests to paint the nacelles on a "case by case basis".

"We need to evaluate each custom colour request because different colours may require different thicknesses to achieve the desired appearance," the airframer says.

"We need to ensure that the thickness required does not exceed the design tolerance."

...Boeing says that specific discussions with its customers regarding the colours are "considered confidential".


I'm guessing the conversation went like this:

BA: "The engines will look silly if they aren't blue."
Boeing: "It burns more gas and we want to hit our performance guarantee."
BA: "Airbus will paint the engines blue if we ask."
Boeing: "Did you say blue? Of course we can do blue."
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Dassault Falcon 2000LX tail nr. OO-VRO (EX. OY-ZWO), it's actually Rafale paint.
 
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Re: Can an Airplane be Painted With a Matte Look?

Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:39 pm

the reason most aircraft are painted white is to keep the temperature down. A black aircraft will see a skin temperature of more than 100 deg c where as the white one will probably be above 30 deg c. having a black aircraft is burning money, in extra fuel burned for aircon. (these temps are obviously only on the ground)

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