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Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:38 pm

Compared to their Boeing counterparts the passenger windows on the Airbus family of aircrafts seems smaller. Going back I remember the DC10 windows were HUGE for passengers.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:55 pm

Only A32S family seems a bit smaller than 707/727/737/757/767, A330 / A340 seem comparable to most Boeing products except 787's, A350 windows are large, only slightly smaller than 787. A380's are typical size but the width of the fuselage wall make them quite deep.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:56 pm

Great Question. I was "stuck" in economy from New Orleans to LAX a few weeks ago on an Airbus 319 and I am a tall guy. I couldn't see out the window it was so small and low. It was a miserable trip with kids in my row to boot. I cant wait for the answers...
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:04 pm

The A380 windows on the upper deck "seem" small as there is about a 4" gap between the interior and exterior windows.

nothing compares to the 787, obviously!
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:15 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Only A32S family seems a bit smaller than 707/727/737/757/767, A330 / A340 seem comparable to most Boeing products except 787's, A350 windows are large, only slightly smaller than 787. A380's are typical size but the width of the fuselage wall make them quite deep.


The A330/340 windows seem equally as small to me.
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:32 pm

To (not) answer the OP question I don't know. I believe the A320 family and the A330/340 have the same window sizes. Too small for my taste but they sit a bit higher than on the B737. Airbus did better with the A350 but still not as big on the Boeings :(

I hope the A360, A370 and A390 will have Viscount-like windows or better, glass walls!
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:37 pm

panampreflight wrote:
Great Question. I was "stuck" in economy from New Orleans to LAX a few weeks ago on an Airbus 319 and I am a tall guy. I couldn't see out the window it was so small and low. It was a miserable trip with kids in my row to boot. I cant wait for the answers...


I'm 6'3 and haven't had an issue with the A32X family windows. Boeing's 737 windows are practically on the damn floor though. It's almost as bad as the CRJ-200!

I don't fly enough wide-bodies to compare windows but I've never noticed a difference between the 767, 777, and A330 the times that I have.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:48 pm

I'm more bothered by the fact so few premium cabins are setup to allow comfortable viewing from said windows than the negligible difference in sizes of main contenders.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:05 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Only A32S family seems a bit smaller than 707/727/737/757/767, A330 / A340 seem comparable to most Boeing products except 787's, A350 windows are large, only slightly smaller than 787. A380's are typical size but the width of the fuselage wall make them quite deep.


The A330/340 windows seem equally as small to me.


According to airlinercafe http://airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=63880 A32s windows are 360mm x 272mm, A330/40 are 385mm x 300mm.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:43 pm

Interesting. I'm almost 50 and I've been flying my entire life and never noticed a difference in window sizes other than the slightly taller windows on the 787. Must not be that significantly noticeably.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:12 pm

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Interesting. I'm almost 50 and I've been flying my entire life and never noticed a difference in window sizes other than the slightly taller windows on the 787. Must not be that significantly noticeably.

For me at least, the difference is quite noticeable - and appreciated. Love those expansive 787 windows! Haven't flown an A350 yet, but it's encouraging to hear that it too has larger-than-average windows. -ir
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Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:24 pm

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Great Question. I was "stuck" in economy from New Orleans to LAX a few weeks ago on an Airbus 319 and I am a tall guy. I couldn't see out the window it was so small and low. It was a miserable trip with kids in my row to boot. I cant wait for the answers...


I'm average height but compared to the 320 family the 737 windows are much lower and uncomfortable. I always book window seats but, on 320s, it is much better than on 737s. Windows seats on 737s are good for children though.....
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:44 pm

Oh yea, the CRJ's are really bad!. While you have full body contact with the person next to you, its hard to lean over to see out. God I hate tha, needless to say, I don't fly CRJ's.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:56 pm

airbazar wrote:
Interesting. I'm almost 50 and I've been flying my entire life and never noticed a difference in window sizes other than the slightly taller windows on the 787. Must not be that significantly noticeably.


Well, until the last few years, we never had so many Airbus's in circulation maybe that why you never noticed.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:57 pm

The 787 windows are amazing, and not just the super large window itself, but next time look down the interior of the tube sidewalls and the window wells on a 787 are much larger and create (IMHO) a beautiful effect like a futuristic series of arches from an Italian villa. I have always wondered why airbus windows feel like pin dots...even compared to a 767...which are more squared off than rounded like Airbus window design. The 767/757 shape feels older like a 707, but still they are bigger than Airbus- and I notice as I often gaze out the window. I do some of my best day dreaming when I look out an airplane window!
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:02 pm

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The 787 windows are amazing, and not just the super large window itself, but next time look down the interior of the tube sidewalls and the window wells on a 787 are much larger and create (IMHO) a beautiful effect like a futuristic series of arches from an Italian villa. I have always wondered why airbus windows feel like pin dots...even compared to a 767...which are more squared off than rounded like Airbus window design. The 767/757 shape feels older like a 707, but still they are bigger than Airbus- and I notice as I often gaze out the window. I do some of my best day dreaming when I look out an airplane window!


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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:38 pm

http://blog.wandr.me/wp-content/uploads ... arison.jpg

This gives a good comparison of CSeries vs 737 and A320 window size.
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:42 pm

AA747123 wrote:
Compared to their Boeing counterparts the passenger windows on the Airbus family of aircrafts seems smaller. Going back I remember the DC10 windows were HUGE for passengers.


Well I'd rather have slightly smaller windows at the right height compared to the 737s where the windows are way too low.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:49 pm

The first plane I ever flew in was a Vickers Viscount: now they had nice big windows.

When driving by the BA depot at Heathrow on the A30 road, I've thought that the Boeing 787, because of its big windows, looks quite a small plane; only if one of them is parked close to another type of plane -- say, a 777 -- does its actual size become apparent. Has anyone else had this impression of the 787?
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:51 pm

Bu they are low too!. I just flew in a A319 and it was like a low port hole in a ship.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:21 pm

The only thing with the 787 windows is that they're reflecting quite a bit from the inside. Taking decent photos is quite a challenge in the dreamliner.

If you look at htese two, the reflections of my phone are clearly visible:

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I don't have these problems on other planes.
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:21 pm

panampreflight wrote:
Bu they are low too!. I just flew in a A319 and it was like a low port hole in a ship.


I wonder what you would have thought of the 737s window position then. Because it's much worse.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:25 pm

Yea, I think your right. But they are bigger.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:26 pm

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The only thing with the 787 windows is that they're reflecting quite a bit from the inside. Taking decent photos is quite a challenge in the dreamliner.


I don't have these problems on other planes.


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Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:38 pm

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The 787 windows are amazing, and not just the super large window itself, but next time look down the interior of the tube sidewalls and the window wells on a 787 are much larger and create (IMHO) a beautiful effect like a futuristic series of arches from an Italian villa. I have always wondered why airbus windows feel like pin dots...even compared to a 767...which are more squared off than rounded like Airbus window design. The 767/757 shape feels older like a 707, but still they are bigger than Airbus- and I notice as I often gaze out the window. I do some of my best day dreaming when I look out an airplane window!


Airbus more than makes up for it with more comfortable cabins, A32s cabin are noticeably wider and more spacious feeling, I'll take that any day over slightly larger windows. I think the true winner here is the A350, larger windows ( only a bit smaller than the 787 ) with 9 abreast in Y, cabin width of 5.61m vs. 787's 5.49m, perfect balance of comfort and great windows. I love the 787 windows but only if I'm in J, in Y being squished against the wall in a narrow seat with two seatmates between you and the aisle is not pleasant.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:07 pm

Being a tall bloke I now suffer from neck pain for a few days after a flight from straining to look out the window. That never happened on the Viscount, Vanguard or Caravelle!!!. They had great windows.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:35 pm

Have one of you ever flown on an A330 sitting on the last row and window-seat?
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:24 pm

panampreflight wrote:
Great Question. I was "stuck" in economy from New Orleans to LAX a few weeks ago on an Airbus 319 and I am a tall guy. I couldn't see out the window it was so small and low. It was a miserable trip with kids in my row to boot. I cant wait for the answers...


Then you need to try 747's upper deck, you can barely see anything except the ground from the window, let along the wings, etc. I'm not a tall guy at all, btw.

And I believe 737's window is "lower" compared to A320's.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:36 pm

I think they do it so that passengers can't see what the baggage handlers are doing to their bags.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:44 pm

paullam wrote:

I don't have these problems on other planes.


But you don't have as lovely a wing to look at either. The 787 wing is a delight to watch during all stages of flight. And I'll add to the positive feedback on the 787 window. It really is quite a noticeable difference.

Until a few months ago, the 787 was a regular part of my travel from DUB-LHR-PHL. The difference from the first leg, flown on an A320 to the second, formerly on the 787, was impressive. The route is flown on a 744 now, and I can't much complain about that either.
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:52 pm

avi8tir wrote:
The A380 windows on the upper deck "seem" small as there is about a 4" gap between the interior and exterior windows.

nothing compares to the 787, obviously!


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Go to your profile in the upper right hand corner of the page. Click it. then click profile. next to your avatar spot is an edit icon. click it. boom.
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:11 am

Even worse, most A319 have one window a few rows in front of the wing exit that is smaller than the rest. I don't know if A320's have it as well, but I have sat in this row, and thought, well this is the closest to a Concorde window I'll ever see.
 
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panampreflight wrote:
Anybody know how we can get out Avatar changed?.


Go to your profile in the upper right hand corner of the page. Click it. then click profile. next to your avatar spot is an edit icon. click it. boom.


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panampreflight wrote:
Anybody know how we can get out Avatar changed?.


Go to your profile in the upper right hand corner of the page. Click it. then click profile. next to your avatar spot is an edit icon. click it. boom.



But then what? There isn't anyway to upload a photo. Any additional help would be appreciated!
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:37 am

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bluefltspecial wrote:
panampreflight wrote:
Anybody know how we can get out Avatar changed?.


Go to your profile in the upper right hand corner of the page. Click it. then click profile. next to your avatar spot is an edit icon. click it. boom.



But then what? There isn't anyway to upload a photo. Any additional help would be appreciated!

It's changed, you have to do it from the main airliners.net page and sign in there then go to settings...
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:51 am

I did a search and found the photo I recall showing the difference between the 787 and A340 windows.

http://stuckattheairport.com/tag/787-dreamliner/

True the 787 windows are huge, but the 340 windows look like keyholes in comparison. I can't find the post that discusses window sizes, but my clear recollection is that the airbus windows are smaller than Boeing windows across its line up, from the 319 up through the 380. So the initial post's question remains - why are Airbus' windows smaller?
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:54 am

The A330/A340 windows are indeed pretty small, though the A350 windows are much larger.

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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:51 am

DrPaul wrote:
The first plane I ever flew in was a Vickers Viscount: now they had nice big windows.

When driving by the BA depot at Heathrow on the A30 road, I've thought that the Boeing 787, because of its big windows, looks quite a small plane; only if one of them is parked close to another type of plane -- say, a 777 -- does its actual size become apparent. Has anyone else had this impression of the 787?


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Indeed Paul! It's only when it's parked right next to 767 that you actually see how BIGGER it is. The big windows play visual tricks on the proportions, and probably the BIG engines do too?..
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:59 am

bluefltspecial wrote:
avi8tir wrote:
The A380 windows on the upper deck "seem" small as there is about a 4" gap between the interior and exterior windows.

nothing compares to the 787, obviously!


Have you ever seen a Vickers Viscount? :scratchchin: :duck:


...or a Britannia?? ;-)
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:03 am

The Airbus windows seem fine to me. I don't have to crouch down to see outside or anything... ;)

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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:05 am

Airbus more than makes up for it with more comfortable cabins, A32s cabin are noticeably wider and more spacious feeling, I'll take that any day over slightly larger windows. [/quote]

I tend to agree. Airbus cabins are more comfortable, and generally quieter than the Boeings. I don't mind too much the -factually- smaller windows. The Sky Interior is a nice improvement, but I still find the A32S comfort level superiors. Same goes for A330 vs 777 for me.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:06 am

And... some are smaller than others.. make peace with that...they are just born that way! ;-) ;-) ;-)
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:34 am

The A330 , A350 are small. A350 are large but wide. 787 windows are bigger compared to other windows. anyway the airbus window size does'nt matter :D
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:16 pm

airbazar wrote:
Interesting. I'm almost 50 and I've been flying my entire life and never noticed a difference in window sizes other than the slightly taller windows on the 787. Must not be that significantly noticeably.


Airbus windows are definitely noticeably smaller than Boeing.....I've not yet flown on the A350 of course.....but the A320/330/340 and 380 all have smaller windows compared to the corresponding Boeing models...its very noticeable....also, the gap between two windows is slightly more and that further spoils the visual enjoyment.......
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:26 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
The Airbus windows seem fine to me. I don't have to crouch down to see outside or anything... ;)


Just to clarify to members of the public who maybe alarmed to think that photo is real, it is a computer rendering. There is a number of items that are in the wrong position for that to be taken in flight.
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Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:11 pm

Gr8Circle wrote:
Airbus windows are definitely noticeably smaller than Boeing.....I've not yet flown on the A350 of course.....but the A320/330/340 and 380 all have smaller windows compared to the corresponding Boeing models...its very noticeable....also, the gap between two windows is slightly more and that further spoils the visual enjoyment.......


Windows on the Airbus are spaced about 41" apart, which adds 3" to the usual 38" which was adopted for the 707 way back in the late 50s (and as far as I know continues on the Boeing narrowbodies). This extra 3" shows up as the gap. The 767 has a similar arrangement (it may have been the first aircraft to add 3"-4", giving two windows a pitch of 41"-42").
 
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CF-CPI wrote:
Gr8Circle wrote:
Airbus windows are definitely noticeably smaller than Boeing.....I've not yet flown on the A350 of course.....but the A320/330/340 and 380 all have smaller windows compared to the corresponding Boeing models...its very noticeable....also, the gap between two windows is slightly more and that further spoils the visual enjoyment.......


Windows on the Airbus are spaced about 41" apart, which adds 3" to the usual 38" which was adopted for the 707 way back in the late 50s (and as far as I know continues on the Boeing narrowbodies). This extra 3" shows up as the gap. The 767 has a similar arrangement (it may have been the first aircraft to add 3"-4", giving two windows a pitch of 41"-42").


I should clarify that I meant PAIRS of windows spaced 41" apart (window-to-window centers at 20+" spacing). Back in the early days, a pair of windows was 38", and First Class seating at 38" pitch conveniently got two windows (exactly).
 
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Re: Why are Airbus Windows so Small

Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:54 pm

II couldn't find exact dimensions for Airbus and Boeing various types' windows but I did come across this photo that gives you a pretty good idea for the A380/777/A320/A330-40:

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