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Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:43 am
by skywalker92
Lets us say if hijackers have entered to an aircraft which was ready for the departure, if someone(pilots/flight attendants or passengers on board) got a chance to evade from the aircraft who should evade first? Is there any operational procedure to follow during such an incident?

I know that this is somewhat a weird question, but I got this problem when watching a movie called Neerja-http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5286444/ about the Pan Am flight 73.

Regards,
skywalker92

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:51 am
by flydude380
I think pilots of course and even flight attendants to a certain extent. Why? Cause the crew are a vital component for hijackers to carry out their mission.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:06 pm
by Woodreau
Well.... you haven't said whether the hijackers were discovered before departure. that wouldn't make them very good hijackers would it. I imagine hijackers would be very compliant, courteous, nice, and accommodating until they didn't need to be.

Anyways, based on your prior postings, I believe you do work for an airline, so you would have access to the manuals which address what actions to take - and refer you there ... as opposed to ... here.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:43 pm
by Redbellyguppy
Nobody who actually has access to SSI is going to comment about that here.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:17 pm
by skywalker92
flydude380 wrote:
I think pilots of course and even flight attendants to a certain extent. Why? Cause the crew are a vital component for hijackers to carry out their mission.


Even I hope so flydude380. That's what happening in the movie also.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:23 pm
by skywalker92
Woodreau wrote:
Well.... you haven't said whether the hijackers were discovered before departure. that wouldn't make them very good hijackers would it. I imagine hijackers would be very compliant, courteous, nice, and accommodating until they didn't need to be.

Anyways, based on your prior postings, I believe you do work for an airline, so you would have access to the manuals which address what actions to take - and refer you there ... as opposed to ... here.


I was talking about if they were discovered before the departure.

Redbellyguppy wrote:
Nobody who actually has access to SSI is going to comment about that here.


Even I don't know Which document to refer for further info :D :D

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:40 pm
by jnev3289
Redbellyguppy wrote:
Nobody who actually has access to SSI is going to comment about that here.

I don't think SSI on priority of leaving the aircraft if a hijacker is found prior to departure exists

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:13 pm
by USAirKid
skywalker92 wrote:
Lets us say if hijackers have entered to an aircraft which was ready for the departure, if someone(pilots/flight attendants or passengers on board) got a chance to evade from the aircraft who should evade first? Is there any operational procedure to follow during such an incident?

I know that this is somewhat a weird question, but I got this problem when watching a movie called Neerja-http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5286444/ about the Pan Am flight 73.

Regards,
skywalker92


I have no special insights, but logically I think the answer is no one should leave the plane until a police response.

If the hijackers are known to the pilots before before departure the plane shouldn't take off. The pilots are in a more or less bulletproof room and they have the final say if an airplane takes off or not. They also have access to radios that can request a police response to the airplane, in addition to something more mundane, like parking an ARFF vehicle in the way of the aircraft's movement.

If the pilots aren't informed of the hijackers, but the FAs know of the hijackers? In this case, the FAs could do something subtle, like not responding to the pilot's requests, or opening an exterior door, which would be noted in the cockpit. This would then result in pilots taking action to address the unknown issue. There are also are systems where the cockpit has video cameras into the cabin, so they could use this tool in determining what the issue is. (FWIW, this is something LiveTV has advertised on their website.)

The passengers shouldn't be evacuated before a police response, because the hijackers will blend in with the passengers in the chaos, and depending on the location of the plane on the airfield could escape off of airport property.

All of these presuppose a post-September 11th hijacking, where the aircraft itself is presumed to be a weapon, and it is assumed that in any scenario everyone onboard will be killed. In that case, it is better that only the people on the airplane be killed, instead of everyone on the airplane being killed in addition to those on the ground being killed as well.

In a pre-September 11th hijacking, I believe the scenario that was generally followed was one of cooperation, but that was only after the airplane was in the air. That being said, there were many times an hijacked airplane stopped for refueling.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:11 am
by zeke
In an ideal world, the hijackers should get off first.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:38 am
by skywalker92
USAirKid wrote:
skywalker92 wrote:
Lets us say if hijackers have entered to an aircraft which was ready for the departure, if someone(pilots/flight attendants or passengers on board) got a chance to evade from the aircraft who should evade first? Is there any operational procedure to follow during such an incident?

I know that this is somewhat a weird question, but I got this problem when watching a movie called Neerja-http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5286444/ about the Pan Am flight 73.

Regards,
skywalker92


I have no special insights, but logically I think the answer is no one should leave the plane until a police response.

If the hijackers are known to the pilots before before departure the plane shouldn't take off. The pilots are in a more or less bulletproof room and they have the final say if an airplane takes off or not. They also have access to radios that can request a police response to the airplane, in addition to something more mundane, like parking an ARFF vehicle in the way of the aircraft's movement.

If the pilots aren't informed of the hijackers, but the FAs know of the hijackers? In this case, the FAs could do something subtle, like not responding to the pilot's requests, or opening an exterior door, which would be noted in the cockpit. This would then result in pilots taking action to address the unknown issue. There are also are systems where the cockpit has video cameras into the cabin, so they could use this tool in determining what the issue is. (FWIW, this is something LiveTV has advertised on their website.)

The passengers shouldn't be evacuated before a police response, because the hijackers will blend in with the passengers in the chaos, and depending on the location of the plane on the airfield could escape off of airport property.

All of these presuppose a post-September 11th hijacking, where the aircraft itself is presumed to be a weapon, and it is assumed that in any scenario everyone onboard will be killed. In that case, it is better that only the people on the airplane be killed, instead of everyone on the airplane being killed in addition to those on the ground being killed as well.

In a pre-September 11th hijacking, I believe the scenario that was generally followed was one of cooperation, but that was only after the airplane was in the air. That being said, there were many times an hijacked airplane stopped for refueling.


Thanks a lot USAirKid :)
Figured it out! Got some understanding.

zeke wrote:
In an ideal world, the hijackers should get off first.


In an ideal world no one should hijack an aircraft :D

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:09 pm
by NozPerry
It was my understanding that Flight deck should leave the aircraft first as without them, the aircraft can’t go anywhere (if it was on the ground at either it’s origin or at another airfield), by either deadbolting the door and escaping through the DV windows in flight deck.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 am
by HAWK21M
Anyone.....
But if the flight crew has escaped then the aircraft stays grounded.

Re: Who should leave the aircraft first during a hijack?

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:31 am
by USAirKid
HAWK21M wrote:
Anyone.....
But if the flight crew has escaped then the aircraft stays grounded.



That presumes the hijackers don't know how to fly the plane....