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Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:59 am

Hi guys,

I want to ship a BMW 800GS motorcycle from Canada to London UK. I know that Air Canada offers something along these lines (see link at the end of this post). Most Trans Atlantic flights are operated by wide-bodies, 767, 787, 777, etc. Unfortunately, I live in Winnipeg, MB and there are no WB or direct flights to Europe from here. I would have to connect via Toronto or Calgary. This means I would have to ride my motorcycle to one of these cities or ship it by ground. Would a motorcycle fit in a A320/A321? What about Embraer 190? The last one is very doubtful.

Have any of you shipped motorcycles by air? What about out of MSP, with a US / European carrier? I understand that DG paperwork must be done, etc. etc. I'm sure the airlines offer that.

Thanks,

Vio

Air Canada:
https://www.aircanada.com/cargo/shared/ ... 062015.pdf

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91 X 37 X 53 inches (2320 mm x 945 mm 1350 mm)
392 lbs (178 kg)

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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:51 am

You want to speak to a specialist freight company that has been doing that for some time https://www.motorcycleexpress.com/why-airfreight so it arrives undamaged (by packing it correctly), with all the paperwork and insurance sorted for you.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:30 am

I'd take Zeke's advice or at the very least ship it through a carrier that has expertise in shipping a wide range of cargo reliably such as Fedex, UPS, DHL, or via ship.

As for transporting it to Toronto or some other city, either road trip on the bike or Uhaul it.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:30 am

I'd take Zeke's advice or at the very least ship it through a carrier that has expertise in shipping a wide range of cargo reliably such as Fedex, UPS, DHL, or via ship.

As for transporting it to Toronto or some other city, either road trip on the bike or Uhaul it.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:13 am

Usually the best deal in N.Am. for m/c air freight is Forward Air. Small, medium, and large m/c-specific containers. https://www.forwardair.com/forwardair/p ... inpage.jsp
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:01 pm

Sorry TWA772LR, I gotta disagree with FedEX, UPS or DHL. While they are capable of handling this shipment, I always found their rates for freight shipments to be a little higher than other companies. Their bread and butter is envelopes and >70lbs handheld boxes. Don't get me wrong, they will get the job done, but it is not their expertise. However, if you can use, for instance, your company's FedEx/UPS/DHL freight account, it might make their rates more attractive. I wish i could recommend a carrier, but my knowledge is Canada/US, not Canada/UK.

Looking at those dims, you have a choice to make - either you stand the bike up with a hefty stand/cradle and fit it into a 96" x 48" footprint (with the risk of the bike tipping in transit), or you lie it down and accept the 96" x 96" footprint and the extra costs that brings. Either way, i suggest you make use of as much packaging material you possibly can because the weight is so low - usually carriers charge a flat rate up to 1,000lbs, then they start adding weight charges. You want that skid/crate/fortress to be able to be dropped off a tailgate without a scratch on the bike.

Long shot here as I am not a motorcycle guy - check the customs laws as sometimes you can dis-assemble items so they only qualify as "motorcycle parts" as opposed to a "motorcycle" to reduce customs charges. I think I am way off base on this one for your scenario, but I have used this trick with less complex machinery.
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:28 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
I'd take Zeke's advice or at the very least ship it through a carrier that has expertise in shipping a wide range of cargo reliably such as Fedex, UPS, DHL, or via ship.

As for transporting it to Toronto or some other city, either road trip on the bike or Uhaul it.


Assuming the OP wishes to avoid a road trip or towing a trailer, I disagree with both suggestions, having shipped many motorcycles. As posted above, within N.Am., if by air, Forward Air. If by land, uship.com. Uship.com is often 25% of the transport fee offered by Yellow, Roadway, etc. Just make sure to specify experience in m/c shipments needed. Pallet and tiedowns. Wrap the bike in plastic film. The deluxe route is a Harley-D metal pallet and enclosure. Some H/D dealers give them away. Others want a Franklin.
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:47 pm

The residual fuel, vapors, oil and any hydraulic fluid is all hazmat so that won't fly on an passenger airplane as freight.
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:45 pm

commpilot wrote:
The residual fuel, vapors, oil and any hydraulic fluid is all hazmat so that won't fly on an passenger airplane as freight.


Not necessarily. Most hazardous materials an fly on passenger aircraft provided they are below a certain amount and are declared properly. It is only certain goods (oxygen generators come to mind) which are 100% only able to be transported on non-passenger aircraft only.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:02 am

JAGflyer wrote:
commpilot wrote:
The residual fuel, vapors, oil and any hydraulic fluid is all hazmat so that won't fly on an passenger airplane as freight.


Not necessarily. Most hazardous materials an fly on passenger aircraft provided they are below a certain amount and are declared properly. It is only certain goods (oxygen generators come to mind) which are 100% only able to be transported on non-passenger aircraft only.


Indeed. We routinely carry small amounts of dangerous liquids and such. Like a one liter can of corrosive or whatever. As long as it is properly packed and declared you're good.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:46 am

As long as all the fuel is drained, small autos have been shipped in the belly of passenger aircraft, so I see no reason a motorcycle couldn't be as long as it's properly prepared and secured by a freight specialist.

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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:31 am

Forward Air routinely uses belly cargo.
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:05 am

JAGflyer wrote:
commpilot wrote:
The residual fuel, vapors, oil and any hydraulic fluid is all hazmat so that won't fly on an passenger airplane as freight.


Not necessarily. Most hazardous materials an fly on passenger aircraft provided they are below a certain amount and are declared properly. It is only certain goods (oxygen generators come to mind) which are 100% only able to be transported on non-passenger aircraft only.


I always thought gasoline engines are always considered hazmat. No?
 
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:38 am

26point2 wrote:
JAGflyer wrote:
commpilot wrote:
The residual fuel, vapors, oil and any hydraulic fluid is all hazmat so that won't fly on an passenger airplane as freight.


Not necessarily. Most hazardous materials an fly on passenger aircraft provided they are below a certain amount and are declared properly. It is only certain goods (oxygen generators come to mind) which are 100% only able to be transported on non-passenger aircraft only.


I always thought gasoline engines are always considered hazmat. No?


Yes, internal combustion engines are considered as hazmat (or Dangerous Goods in ICAO parlance), but that doesn't mean you can't ship it.

If you go through the IATA DG manual, it will tell you if and how an item can be shipped, in what type of aircraft it is allowable and what the packaging requirements are.

I know for a fact Internal combustion engines are allowable on cargo aircraft AND passenger aircraft.
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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:17 pm

I worked the FedEx ramp in San Antonio, TX years ago and recall a shipment of motorcycles coming through our facility. They were loaded on metal pallets that we called "cookie sheets". There were two bikes to a pallet for a total of six bikes. They were Harley Davidson touring machines and totally decked out for road trips. We unloaded them from the main cargo deck of one of our MD10's and placed them in the sort facility where they were picked up by the customer. So, FedEx can handle this type of shipment. Don't know who would set this up, maybe FedEx logistics.

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Re: Shipping a Motorcycle by plane

Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:55 am

Thanks for all the replies everyone! Happy New Year!

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