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Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:42 pm

Hello everyone,

My question is can Cesna Citation fly from South America to Europe in one tank?

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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Yes, but the one tank (actually one in each wing) would have to be filled on the ground some number of times, that number depending on which model you speak of. Also, depends on where you started and where you wish your destination to be. Specifics are needed

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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:15 pm

Depends on which city you leave from in South America. Which city in Europe is your destination. And which model of Cessna Citation.
Go to Textron Aviation's Citation range map page. Select starting point and aircraft. http://txtav.com/en/range-map
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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:48 pm

The correct answer is they all can, without refuelling. You would however need to install the required ferry tanks on all the models bar Citation X & Longitude. Even then, prudence would necessitate at least one stop (Azores).
 
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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:23 pm

Is there an STC for ferry tanks on Citations? Not very passenger friendly, either.

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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:49 pm

ChrisKen wrote:
The correct answer is they all can, without refuelling. You would however need to install the required ferry tanks on all the models bar Citation X & Longitude. Even then, prudence would necessitate at least one stop (Azores).


Exactly. Interestingly though, in the case of the Citation X at least, it's fast enough that ground operations permitting you can still do a 1-stop flight in around the same time a commercial non-stop would take.
 
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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:33 pm

ChrisKen wrote:
The correct answer is they all can, without refuelling. You would however need to install the required ferry tanks on all the models bar Citation X & Longitude. Even then, prudence would necessitate at least one stop (Azores).

I worked for Cessna for 25 years, and I have never heard of ferry tanks being installed in a Citation jet aircraft. I am not saying it has never happened, just that I have never heard of it. The smallest Citation Mustangs are delivered from Wichita to the far corners of the world without additional ferry tanks. Single engine (ie Caravans) and twin engine propeller aircraft have had ferry tanks added.
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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:14 pm

It's not hard to install ferry tanks on any aircraft, even if some set ups are rather 'rustic'. I'm fairly sure I've seen them fitted on Citations. It would depend on those providing the ferry service & urgency of acquisition I guess (one hop vs delay prone puddle jumps). However, it's an aside to the answering of the OP's question, which I think has been answered.
 
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Re: Can a Cessna Citation fly from South America to Europe?

Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:15 pm

Just plugging numbers into the great circle mapper for the shortest segments that I am think of on the fly. But Recife to Lisbon via the Cape Verde Islands is roughly 1800 statute miles each leg. I suppose most of the not so short legged Citations could do that with a ferry crew.

A Youtuber pilot I used to follow had some interesting videos with some ferry flights between Europe and North America with a Citation 501 and a 560 (or was it a 550). Routing via Kangerlussuaq and Reykjavik.
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