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Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:09 pm

I went on the Internet and I found this:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-acj320neo-carries-out-maiden-flight-453757/
Among other things, the article says the plane carried two registration numbers. I always thought that it was very, very important that the reg number remained one and only. I even remember reading that when aircraft changes owner, the new number is painted on the plane and is then covered with a piece of tape with the old reg number, which should be removed as soon as the process of re-registration goes through.

Could anyone enlighten me on this matter?
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Basically once an airplanes is painted the manufacturers have permission not to tape Airbus or Boeing registrations over the large numbers on the wing.

Painted Airbus airplanes in production or experimental flight test will have the final customer registration painted on the wings and the Airbus French or German registration below the tail until delivery.

Boeing airplanes that are painted will have the final customer registration on the wings and under the tail unless they are assigned to experimental flight test or per customer request in which case they will have a Boeing US registration below the tail until they return to production or are delivered.
 
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:31 pm

In old days with strange regulations it was heard that planes changed registration number and ownership in the fly to fly a tag on route. Poor mechanic who was repainting that hanging outside ... :hissyfit:

Maybe we will see that again this spring, crossing the Channel :crying:
 
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:59 pm

YIMBY wrote:
In old days with strange regulations it was heard that planes changed registration number and ownership in the fly to fly a tag on route.

They did this when Braniff operated the Concorde between IAD and DFW in 1979-80. Due to FAA regulations, the aircraft were "sold" to Braniff, and the registration was chaged - taped over - for that leg of the flight.
http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/braniff.html
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:25 pm

7BOEING7 wrote:
Basically once an airplanes is painted the manufacturers have permission not to tape Airbus or Boeing registrations over the large numbers on the wing.


In 2007, a new Cessna Mustang aircraft was sold to a customer in Croatia. After the production test flight, the aircraft was painted for the new owner with the Croatian registration numbers. For the flight from IDP to Croatia, the Croatian registration numbers on the tail and under the left wing were covered with a large portion of white plastic. The plastic was nearly the same color as the aircraft, and the largest piece placed under the left wing covered the left fuel tank air vent. A U.S. registration number N13616 was temporarily applied to the plastic sheet on the tail of the aircraft. Descending towards Pittsburgh-Allegheny County Airport, PA (AGC), while passing 18,000 feet the crew heard a bang and nothing unusual was noticed with the aircraft at that time. A short time later the left engine fuel pressure low light illuminated. During the review of the low fuel pressure procedures, the top of the left wing was observed to be distorted and a second bang was heard. The aircraft continued the descent and landed at AGC at 20:00 with no further incident. Inspection revealed the plastic covering the fuel vent and the Croatian registration numbers was still in place. The left wing's upper and lower skin making the upper and lower sections of the fuel tank was collapsed. The collapsed section was approximately 3/4 of the wing from the root outwards. the depth was near 3 inches. The lower wing skin was punctured from the inside of the fuel tank by two broken ribs or formers protruding approximately 2 inches by 1 inch square.
The aircraft was trucked back to Cessna, a new wing was put on the airplane, and the plane was delivered February 28, 2008.

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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:23 pm

I like this one:
Real registration: D-CDLH
Historic (painted) registration: D-AQUI

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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:41 pm

Moose135 wrote:
YIMBY wrote:
In old days with strange regulations it was heard that planes changed registration number and ownership in the fly to fly a tag on route.

They did this when Braniff operated the Concorde between IAD and DFW in 1979-80. Due to FAA regulations, the aircraft were "sold" to Braniff, and the registration was chaged - taped over - for that leg of the flight.
http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/braniff.html


And if I remember correctly they had a unique format something like G-N81AC
 
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:04 am

Belperflyer wrote:
And if I remember correctly they had a unique format something like G-N81AC

Yes, that's mentioned in the story. They would tape over the "G-" leaving the FAA registration N81AC.
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Re: Is it legal to have two reg numbers on an aircraft?

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:46 am

YIMBY wrote:
In old days with strange regulations it was heard that planes changed registration number and ownership in the fly to fly a tag on route. Poor mechanic who was repainting that hanging outside ... :hissyfit:

Maybe we will see that again this spring, crossing the Channel :crying:

In the past we had situations where an aircraft to complete registration / ownership / tax formalities, had to land in the relevant country. Then we progressed to touch and go's, and even more recently, overfly. Thankfully, with some exemptions, that's the past. And more flexibility with registrations too, when new builds are under the control of the OEM.

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