Starlionblue wrote:3) Visiting the flight deck was very common. All you had to do was ask and in many cases, it was not a problem. If you were lucky, you could even get to sit up there for landing. In context, a tour of the lower galley would seem eminently plausible.
4) You could absolutely start up an airliner with 1 crew. It would just take a bit of extra time. I haven't flown the L-1011 but I can't imagine it requires any weird 2-crew or 3-crew simultaneous switch/pushbutton sequence while starting up. I suppose you'd have to go back and forth between the left seat and the FE seat a couple of times, or remain standing. If you skipped all the panel checking, walkaround, inertial platform alignment, flight plan entry, cross-checking and so on, you could probably start engines going from a "dark airplane" in less than 5 minutes. The most restrictive bit time-wise on an older jet is probably inertial platform alignment, which might take 20 minutes.
Just to be clear, I'm saying you could. I'm not saying it is safe or clever.
The reason the L-1011 and the DC-10 were retired was economics. There's nothing about the aircraft themselves that forced retirement, apart from maybe noise regulations.
You'll often see aircraft interiors close to retirement "falling apart" a bit. Why bother with the "nice to have" work in the cabin when the whole thing is going to be retired soon?
Starlionblue wrote:Your average 1970s passenger was not hopping on a low cost to Majorca wearing his flip-flops and wife-beater.
acjbbj wrote:Starlionblue wrote:Your average 1970s passenger was not hopping on a low cost to Majorca wearing his flip-flops and wife-beater.
falter wrote:1) How long did the lower galley persist for US airlines? I understand a lot of them were converted to cargo over the years and the kitchens moved upstairs. I don't recollect much as my last L1011 flight was 20 years ago but I seem to recall there being no downstairs kitchen on those planes in the late 90s. Would it be plausible to have one in the 80s still?
falter wrote:2) How many people (assuming no cart) could fit into one of the elevators at once? (and no, I'm not planning something r-rated here ..haha)
falter wrote:For the DC10:
1) These also sometimes had lower galleys too, right?
2) Would the elevators have been more or less same size/capacity?
falter wrote:Is it possible either of these planes could have persisted in passenger service in the US significantly longer than they did?
falter wrote:Does anyone have any more detailed real life photos?
falter wrote:Finally, was there anyone else out there that used the lower deck in the L1011 or DC or 747 for passenger seating?
Tristarsteve wrote:You can start up a Tristar on your own. I have done it many times. You sit at the F/E panel until the engines are running, then if you needed to taxy you could move to the Capt seat. All the controls for APU and engine start were easily accessed from the F/E seat. If you open the engines above idle then you need a helper in the Capt seat.
falter wrote:Tristarsteve wrote:You can start up a Tristar on your own. I have done it many times. You sit at the F/E panel until the engines are running, then if you needed to taxy you could move to the Capt seat. All the controls for APU and engine start were easily accessed from the F/E seat. If you open the engines above idle then you need a helper in the Capt seat.
Many thanks! Could you get the thing moving at speed on your own though or is that a two man job?
Tristarsteve wrote:stephanwintner wrote:Those seats look like something out of an L1049 not an L1011. I hope they are more comfortable than they look.
That is a simulator, and they are not L1011 original chairs
The lower galley on the DC-10 and 747 were somewhat similar in that they were a module that was loaded into the cargo compartment. If you search photos of DC-10s being serviced, you can find catering trucks loading meal carts into the forward cargo compartment.
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