Given how long the 767 has been in production, what has changed with the new models coming off the line in recent years? CRT’s are not produced anymore, so are new 767’s coming off the line with a modern 777 style cockpit? As far as engines go, I know the CF6 is still in production, but what about the RB211’s and the PW4000? It amazes me how an airliner that was originally conceived in the late 70’s can still remain competitive and efficient today. Not trying to create another 757 thread, but the 767 must have an edge over its smaller twin considering it is still in production after all these years.

Pratt's 4062 is being used on the new KC-46's, so will continue to be produced and supported for as long as Congress wishes to fund that.... going by the B-52 and KC-135, it'll be a while.

767-300Fs have a new cockpit developed by Boeing and Rockwell-Collins that is derived from the KC-46A cockpit update as well as some 787-related innovations. The six small CRTs have been replaced with three large LCDs and there is also a HUD.

Stitch wrote:

767-300Fs have a new cockpit developed by Boeing and Rockwell-Collins that is derived from the KC-46A cockpit update as well as some 787-related innovations. The six small CRTs have been replaced with three large LCDs and there is also a HUD.

True, but that's still largely a work in progress. Our fleet is still roughly one third CRTs, and the HUDs are even more of a mixed bag. . .

Stitch wrote:

767-300Fs have a new cockpit developed by Boeing and Rockwell-Collins that is derived from the KC-46A cockpit update as well as some 787-related innovations. The six small CRTs have been replaced with three large LCDs and there is also a HUD.

The HUDs must be installed by STC. I’m pretty sure Boeing has never offfered a HUD on the 767. The KC-46 doesn’t have them.

Sounds like you are familiar with this. Are the HUDs on the FedEx 767F installed in Everett or post-delivery?

BoeingGuy wrote:

The HUDs must be installed by STC. I’m pretty sure Boeing has never offfered a HUD on the 767. The KC-46 doesn’t have them...Are the HUDs on the FedEx 767F installed in Everett or post-delivery?

I'm guessing post-delivery. Boeing and Rockwell worked together to develop the upgrades for FedEx's 767-300Fs (which started delivery in 2013). The first few had the old cockpit, with the remainder getting the new version. Boeing also noted in a 2014 backgrounder on the 767-300F that the display upgrades could be retrofitted via Boeing Service Bulletin on earlier deliveries.

UPS also adopted the Rockwell upgrades starting in 2017 on their existing 767-300F fleet as well as the BCFs they had in conversion.

It is interesting how airlines like BA and Qantas have already retired their 767's for being old, yet Boeing hasn't discontinued the -300ER (or at least remove it from the list price) completely. Not too often you see planes being retired and still in production at the same time.

sho69607 wrote:

It is interesting how airlines like BA and Qantas have already retired their 767's for being old, yet Boeing hasn't discontinued the -300ER (or at least remove it from the list price) completely. Not too often you see planes being retired and still in production at the same time.

Well it's on the Price List as a formality. You can't actually order it as they can't actually build them anymore (the suppliers stopped making passenger-specific parts). Eventually they will remove it.

Stitch wrote:

767-300Fs have a new cockpit developed by Boeing and Rockwell-Collins that is derived from the KC-46A cockpit update as well as some 787-related innovations. The six small CRTs have been replaced with three large LCDs and there is also a HUD.

It's worth noting that the C46 uses a Smiths FMC as oppoesed to the traditional Honeywell Pegesus. Wonder what drove that decision? Probably some mission specific issues?

BravoOne wrote:

Stitch wrote:

767-300Fs have a new cockpit developed by Boeing and Rockwell-Collins that is derived from the KC-46A cockpit update as well as some 787-related innovations. The six small CRTs have been replaced with three large LCDs and there is also a HUD.

It's worth noting that the C46 uses a Smiths FMC as oppoesed to the traditional Honeywell Pegesus. Wonder what drove that decision? Probably some mission specific issues?

Yes, the KC-46 uses a version of Smith’s/GE FMC because it also provides a lot of military and mission related functionality. It’s called the MCS - Mission Control System - on the KC-46.

Hello,
The HUD mod for the FedEx 767's are done in Indianapolis. The ship arrives directly from Boeing and is placed into our east hangar for modification. The entire project takes about two to three weeks. In the past, the ships arrived with the standard Boeing approved flight deck instrumentation. The original flight deck was removed and returned to Boeing and FedEx techs installed our style of flight deck. A lot of work. Apparently, a deal was reached where Boeing now installs our style of flight deck and we do the HUD mod. Work is also done on the Forward Looking Infrared system, lower cargo floorboards and the ship is set up for service with the addition of several other items that have to be installed. A test flight is done to check the HUD installation. It is a very interesting work and quite a few ships have been done with many more to go.
Gregory

gregorygoodwin wrote:

Hello,
The HUD mod for the FedEx 767's are done in Indianapolis. The ship arrives directly from Boeing and is placed into our east hangar for modification. The entire project takes about two to three weeks. In the past, the ships arrived with the standard Boeing approved flight deck instrumentation. The original flight deck was removed and returned to Boeing and FedEx techs installed our style of flight deck. A lot of work. Apparently, a deal was reached where Boeing now installs our style of flight deck and we do the HUD mod. Work is also done on the Forward Looking Infrared system, lower cargo floorboards and the ship is set up for service with the addition of several other items that have to be installed. A test flight is done to check the HUD installation. It is a very interesting work and quite a few ships have been done with many more to go.
Gregory

Is FDX standardizing on that cockpit for both their 757 and 767 fleets ?

gregorygoodwin wrote:

Hello,
The HUD mod for the FedEx 767's are done in Indianapolis. The ship arrives directly from Boeing and is placed into our east hangar for modification. The entire project takes about two to three weeks. In the past, the ships arrived with the standard Boeing approved flight deck instrumentation. The original flight deck was removed and returned to Boeing and FedEx techs installed our style of flight deck. A lot of work. Apparently, a deal was reached where Boeing now installs our style of flight deck and we do the HUD mod. Work is also done on the Forward Looking Infrared system, lower cargo floorboards and the ship is set up for service with the addition of several other items that have to be installed. A test flight is done to check the HUD installation. It is a very interesting work and quite a few ships have been done with many more to go.
Gregory

Informative post, thanks. Actually I don’t believe the old style flight deck is even available anymore due to obselescence issues. The LDS flight deck is one of a few examples where Boeing installs STC equipment in production.

To Max Q,
I am not really in a position to give a definitive answer to your question, ( I'm structures/composites shop) I think that the flight deck is more towards the 777 standard but, this could be in error on my part.
Gregory

Max Q wrote:

Is FDX standardizing on that cockpit for both their 757 and 767 fleets ?

Based on reports, UPS chose the Rockwell Collins system for their 757 and 767 fleets whereas FedEx went with Rockwell Collins on their 767s and Innovative Solutions & Support for their 757s.