Agrajag
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Max v NG Simulators

Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:17 pm

Given the shortage of Max simulators, would it be possible to upload the necessary MCAS software to NG simulators to make them viable for Max training or are the differences too great?
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:26 am

Depends on how the simulator is designed.
If it has likeness to the 737 design layering on MAX functionality will be a major PITA.

If it is a well done modular design you will have to provide for the physical cockpit changes
and required I/O to the simulator system
and then run the "simulation of MAX" software package :-)
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:16 pm

Unlikely the FAA, or whomever would ever sign off on such a Frankenstein sim.
 
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:30 pm

Its an interesting point, presumably Boeing and the airlines, particularly US based airlines, intended to simply use NG simulators for all ongoing training/checking needs of Max pilots. The differences being minimal enough for this to not be an issue.
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:39 pm

Agrajag wrote:
Its an interesting point, presumably Boeing and the airlines, particularly US based airlines, intended to simply use NG simulators for all ongoing training/checking needs of Max pilots. The differences being minimal enough for this to not be an issue.


If you feel that way then why start another flamebate 737 Max topic? You don't think we have enough?
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:27 pm

Not flame bait at all.

I think that the major obstacle would be the physical differences between the two different cockpit layouts, if any, in regards to switches and their functions and location between the two types. Being that both types most likely have the same glass cockpit,the software differences would be pretty easy to write and update to include the MAX for an NG simulator. If say the MCP for the auto pilot is different in function, markings or switch layout, then that could be problematic.

I agree with Agrajag's thoughts on the subject. The entire reason for MCAS was to make the Max fly similar to the NG so that pilot transition wold not require pilots to have an additional type rating, just a small amount of training to include the MAX type rating within the NG's type rating.
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Agrajag
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:45 pm

426shadow, i really dont understand your hostility and accusation. Whats wrong?
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:50 pm

stratclub wrote:
Not flame bait at all.

I think that the major obstacle would be the physical differences between the two different cockpit layouts, if any, in regards to switches and their functions and location between the two types. Being that both types most likely have the same glass cockpit,the software differences would be pretty easy to write and update to include the MAX for an NG simulator. If say the MCP for the auto pilot is different in function, markings or switch layout, then that could be problematic.


The difference is the "glass cockpit" -- 737NG is like the 777 and the MAX is like the 787 -- but what is "displayed" is similar.The majority of switches remain the same with the same function (STAB TRIM CUTOUT switches aside). The main thing is it flies the same.

For years some simulators have been capable of switching engine types (757 & 767) rather quickly and if we're talking about differences the systems/switches on a 757/767 (common type rating) are very different from each other -- much more so than a 733 (Glass) and a MAX.
 
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Re: Max v NG Simulators

Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:00 pm

If you are an airline pilot here in the US and hold a bid on the 757/767 it would not mae any difference what sim you used for your recurrent proficiency check ride.

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