Sokes wrote:Alias1024 wrote:kitplane01 wrote:
I wonder if you all are overstating the importance of cargo revenue for a mainline airline. Google says
Airline 2Q2018 cargo revenue
American USD261 million
Delta USD223 million
United USD314 million
Each of these has about $10B in revenue per quarter, so cargo is about 2-3% of revenue.
But cargo is likely to be relatively more important to the economics on longer hauls like trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific where road and rail transport isn’t a viable competitor and ships take days. A domestic short haul flight in the US might only have demand for a couple hundred pounds of mail or a few very time sensitive packages. No need for a lot of cargo space. LAX-HND might have 5 or 10 tons of cargo. That’s a lot of revenue potential that airlines are going to want to add to their bottom line, and cargo capabilities will absolutely be considerations on longer flights and therefore fleet decisions.
https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... group.html (in German):
2018 Lufthansa sold:
284.561 million passenger kilometer
10.907 million freight tonne kilometer
For each passenger kilometer Lufthansa flew, they also flew 38 kg freight kilometer cargo.
https://www.dvz.de/rubriken/luft/detail ... msatz.html (again in German):
3.52% of freight kilometers was flown within Europe.
In nine months freight generated 1.841 million Euro turnover.
Freight makes roughly 2,5 billion Euro turnover of 28 billion Euro turnover in traffic (35 billion Euro total).
I'm not sure what is meant with traffic and total.
The vast majority of flights are within Europe which generates just 3.5% freight kilometers.
The 2,5 billion Euro/ 9% of traffic turnover generated by freight seem to be generated on rather few flights.
Does anybody have a rough number how many $/ton freight an airline gets for transatlantic/ transpacific?
Or better: Roughly how many % of revenue is freight in a transatlantic/ transpacific flight?
Still better: How much revenue does transatlantic passenger traffic and how much revenue does transatlantic freight traffic generate?
The wing of A321/ B737 was not designed for transatlantic. Even though we have this discussion.
I guess once Boeing introduces the NMA or Airbus puts a longer carbon wing on the A321, transatlantic passenger traffic will be done by narrowbodies. More frequencies or more city pairs allow for higher ticket prices.
But why would Airbus/ Boeing do this? They want to sell their widebodies.
Since you’ve posted the LH numbers, have you checked what their annual profit was in 2018? If you subtract the cargo ops from the overall profit then it shows how important cargo actually is.