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More exterior video feeds for pilots

Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:02 pm

In traffic near airports, wouldn't video feeds of airspace from hull mounted cameras be helpful? Think of it as "eyebrow windows" that cover airspace forward of the wingtips. The cameras could have motion detectors linked to ATC data that zero in other aircraft and superimpose the a/c ID on a flight deck display. I think this could be especially useful where there is a mix of commercial and GA traffic, or in "lax ATC" and "hostile" areas that cargo operators use.
 
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:40 pm

It's not that big of a problem, or we'd be seeing more mid-airs.

That being said, synthetic vision is already in use in several business jets. They often operate in less than ideal environments.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:23 pm

We already have it in TCAS and ADS-B In. There hasn’t been a mid-air involving US carriers since TCAS. I’m not saying the problem has disappeared, just that we have adequate technology and tools to deal with it.

SVS is about picturing terrain, rather than traffic. In places like Aspen or Sion or Rio, quite handy

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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:20 pm

Certainly not flying a perfectly good airplane into terrain or another aircraft has become very much common place.
 
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:16 pm

I can certainly see a use for tail camera's in all commercial aircraft. Remember that BA 777 flight where the left engine caught fire and they couldn't tell from the cockpit that it was as bad as it was and so they only evacuated when the F/O went to the back to check it out? There was a good 30 wasted seconds sitting in potential human oven and if they could have seen it from the outside it would have been immediate.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:28 am

426Shadow wrote:
I can certainly see a use for tail camera's in all commercial aircraft. Remember that BA 777 flight where the left engine caught fire and they couldn't tell from the cockpit that it was as bad as it was and so they only evacuated when the F/O went to the back to check it out? There was a good 30 wasted seconds sitting in potential human oven and if they could have seen it from the outside it would have been immediate.


Edge case. Also a fire is not necessarily visible.

30 seconds delay making a good decision is better than a rushed evacuation.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:20 am

Starlionblue wrote:
426Shadow wrote:
I can certainly see a use for tail camera's in all commercial aircraft. Remember that BA 777 flight where the left engine caught fire and they couldn't tell from the cockpit that it was as bad as it was and so they only evacuated when the F/O went to the back to check it out? There was a good 30 wasted seconds sitting in potential human oven and if they could have seen it from the outside it would have been immediate.


Edge case. Also a fire is not necessarily visible.

30 seconds delay making a good decision is better than a rushed evacuation.



I can't see any circumstance short of possibly getting ran over by a fire truck were staying it a burning fully fueled plane would be better than having the option of evacuating it.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:53 am

I think a 360 degree view from atop the vert. stab would be quite useful, esp. in alleys. I can remember at least 10 different pushback or taxiing "can openers" in the last 2 years (as in wingtip or winglet into another stab or wing). Insurance companies would certainly have a use for the recordings.
 
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:38 am

426Shadow wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
426Shadow wrote:
I can certainly see a use for tail camera's in all commercial aircraft. Remember that BA 777 flight where the left engine caught fire and they couldn't tell from the cockpit that it was as bad as it was and so they only evacuated when the F/O went to the back to check it out? There was a good 30 wasted seconds sitting in potential human oven and if they could have seen it from the outside it would have been immediate.


Edge case. Also a fire is not necessarily visible.

30 seconds delay making a good decision is better than a rushed evacuation.


I can't see any circumstance short of possibly getting ran over by a fire truck were staying it a burning fully fueled plane would be better than having the option of evacuating it.


You have to pause for a bit to shut the engines down. and then make a decision if all doors should be used, only one side, if to stay put. There's no point having passengers going down the slides just to walk into a fire or run past the intake of a running engine.

Or the fire could be quite minor, for example just the bottom of the main gear, and the fireys can put it out in a minute. Better to stay put in that case rather than risking the multiple injuries that occur during almost any evacuation.

30 seconds to make a good decision will typically save more lives than the extra time gained, so to speak.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:54 am

Starlionblue wrote:

30 seconds to make a good decision will typically save more lives than the extra time gained, so to speak.


Certainly but the suggestion was to install technology to that allows better decisions to made quicker by giving the pilots more information, not to rush pilots into making ill-informed choices.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:13 am

doug_or wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:

30 seconds to make a good decision will typically save more lives than the extra time gained, so to speak.


Certainly but the suggestion was to install technology to that allows better decisions to made quicker by giving the pilots more information, not to rush pilots into making ill-informed choices.


Fair.

I'm fairly certain we'll have more cameras in the future. That being said, all you need to do is look out of the windows in the cabin to see if there is a fire or whatnot.
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Re: More exterior video feeds for pilots

Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:46 am

Exceptions "just to look out the window": pushback.... what's behind you, very useful for cargo ops at airports with less "ground service discipline"; wingtip clearance (think of it as TCAS while on the ground)... "STOP STOP" rather than "PULL UP PULL UP".

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