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Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 6:27 pm

Hey there,
Post 9-11 and the current security situation, do pilots and airlines still allow passengers to visit and stay in flight deck while takeoff/cruising/landing? Just a random question, cause I do really want to witness the amazing sight out of jump seat once.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 6:28 pm

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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 6:40 pm

Unless you're flying on a very very lax carrier or you have a very close connection with a pilot who's on-duty it's pretty much unheard of these days. It's certainly not legal on any airline to allow public passengers into the flight deck during flight so most people (if they do get the chance to) wouldn't speak about it. On the ground, it's common and relatively easy to ask to look around.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 6:54 pm

Are you deadheading? Otherwise, not a chance if it's a US carrier and probably most others as well.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 7:46 pm

JAGflyer wrote:
Unless you're flying on a very very lax carrier or you have a very close connection with a pilot who's on-duty it's pretty much unheard of these days. It's certainly not legal on any airline to allow public passengers into the flight deck during flight so most people (if they do get the chance to) wouldn't speak about it. On the ground, it's common and relatively easy to ask to look around.


A few carriers still allow it at Captain’s discretion if you aren’t flying into a country that prohibits it like the US or Canada.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 9:29 pm

Become a flight attendant, FAA inspector, dispatcher, or secret service agent if you want to visit a flightdeck inflight.
Or become a pilot for an air carrier that has reciprocal jumpseat agreements.

Failing that, get listed as an authorized passenger on a part 91 ferry flight.

Or find a B1900 operator and book a flight on a 1900. those planes don’t have flight deck doors.
I flew 1900s after 9/11 and passengers got to see what we did in the cockpit every flight. I even handed a few passengers sitting in 1A a headset so that they could hear what was going on on the radios.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm

In many occasions I had the oportunity to visit the flight deck in flight or jumpseat during landing or T/O with Air France and Transavia. I just ask the pilots during boarding, or give them a letter explaining that I am an avgeek and it work 40-50% of the time (at least on the European flights).
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 1:26 am

Yes it is possible. I have done it.... on a 777 a couple of years ago. Legal... I doubt it.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 4:59 am

JAGflyer wrote:
On the ground, it's common and relatively easy to ask to look around.


Back in March, on a flight I was a passenger on, an AA captain invited the passengers to visit the flight deck after we parked at the gate. It was very cool and a lot of not-avgeeks took him up on it and you could see how much they enjoyed it.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 6:43 am

I did a scenic flight over Mt Everest in an ATR last year, and they invited every single passenger into the cockpit in-flight. Highly recommended.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am

Isn’t the service ceiling of an atr FL250? A lousy platform for viewing a mountain 4000 ft higher th that...
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 3:31 pm

Woodreau wrote:
Become a flight attendant, FAA inspector, dispatcher, or secret service agent if you want to visit a flightdeck inflight.
Or become a pilot for an air carrier that has reciprocal jumpseat agreements.

Failing that, get listed as an authorized passenger on a part 91 ferry flight.

Or find a B1900 operator and book a flight on a 1900. those planes don’t have flight deck doors.
I flew 1900s after 9/11 and passengers got to see what we did in the cockpit every flight. I even handed a few passengers sitting in 1A a headset so that they could hear what was going on on the radios.


Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 4:45 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
Woodreau wrote:
Become a flight attendant, FAA inspector, dispatcher, or secret service agent if you want to visit a flightdeck inflight.
Or become a pilot for an air carrier that has reciprocal jumpseat agreements.

Failing that, get listed as an authorized passenger on a part 91 ferry flight.

Or find a B1900 operator and book a flight on a 1900. those planes don’t have flight deck doors.
I flew 1900s after 9/11 and passengers got to see what we did in the cockpit every flight. I even handed a few passengers sitting in 1A a headset so that they could hear what was going on on the radios.


Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.


There are also regulations that allow for authorized manufacturer representatives to occupy the jumpstart if there are valid technical reasons to do so. For example, Boeing people have ridden jumpseat for a week with certain carriers in certain countries to observe crews’ use of certain systems.
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 7:01 pm

Thank you guys, I really wanted some insight over this thing and finally it seems I've got some idea over it.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Wed May 15, 2019 11:07 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
Woodreau wrote:
Become a flight attendant, FAA inspector, dispatcher, or secret service agent if you want to visit a flightdeck inflight.
Or become a pilot for an air carrier that has reciprocal jumpseat agreements.

Failing that, get listed as an authorized passenger on a part 91 ferry flight.

Or find a B1900 operator and book a flight on a 1900. those planes don’t have flight deck doors.
I flew 1900s after 9/11 and passengers got to see what we did in the cockpit every flight. I even handed a few passengers sitting in 1A a headset so that they could hear what was going on on the radios.


Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.


Marry a pilot is also an option. ;)
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:05 am

Starlionblue wrote:
Marry a pilot is also an option. ;)


Oddly enough, in Canada, my spouse can not ride in the cockpit jumpseat, unless they are an employee (domestic) or one of those named above (international).

I often found it odd that I can carry Bob from Accounting in the cockpit (without a security pass), but not the guy I have lived with for 20 years!
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 3:44 am

IAHFLYR wrote:
Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.


I have had an air traffic controller in my jumpseat before and it was a great flight. We got to pick each other’s brains about. Why do you do this or that etc... and seeing their point of view.

Same for dispatchers. It was another flight of why do dispatchers do this or that and hearing their point of view as well.

Starlionblue wrote:
Marry a pilot is also an option. ;)


Definitely no bueno, as much as my kid and spouse would like to see the flight deck in flight, it’s not possible.


The director of operations can authorize anyone specifically by name to ride in the flight deck in flight. So if you happen to know any air carrier directors of operations you can try that route as well.

We had the airline CEO ride up front one time.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 6:15 am

Woodreau wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.


I have had an air traffic controller in my jumpseat before and it was a great flight. We got to pick each other’s brains about. Why do you do this or that etc... and seeing their point of view.

Same for dispatchers. It was another flight of why do dispatchers do this or that and hearing their point of view as well.

Starlionblue wrote:
Marry a pilot is also an option. ;)


Definitely no bueno, as much as my kid and spouse would like to see the flight deck in flight, it’s not possible.


The director of operations can authorize anyone specifically by name to ride in the flight deck in flight. So if you happen to know any air carrier directors of operations you can try that route as well.

We had the airline CEO ride up front one time.


Country and airline specific I guess. My kids, wife and parents can all sit in the cockpit (but not in a cabin crew seat).
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 9:14 am

JAGflyer wrote:
On the ground, it's common and relatively easy to ask to look around.



I’ve heard anecdotally now that several major international carriers have instituted a complete ban on any passengers visiting the flight deck pre or post flight. Not even little kids are allowed to have a peek inside. Whether it’s a for safety, security, industrial or business reasons I’m not sure.

It’s a huge shame because I don’t know where the next generation of flyers are going to come from if we cut off even basic attempts at outreach like this?
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Woodreau wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
Don't forget to put Air Traffic Controller into those authorized to occupy the jumpseat! :) Even though very few actually use the program the FAA has in place due to the requirements that have to be met it's still a very worthwhile opportunity and they should use it and the view is amazing.


I have had an air traffic controller in my jumpseat before and it was a great flight. We got to pick each other’s brains about. Why do you do this or that etc... and seeing their point of view.

Same for dispatchers. It was another flight of why do dispatchers do this or that and hearing their point of view as well.


Indeed, especially when you realize that most controllers are not pilots and have very limited background into what happens on a flight deck, even more so with automation. Picking brains is certainly a great training tool.....and you airplane drivers should also visit an ATC facility where you're based.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 10:12 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
It’s a huge shame because I don’t know where the next generation of flyers are going to come from if we cut off even basic attempts at outreach like this?


The next generation will come from the social media “influencers”. This guys already got his YouTube Play button and his flow through to American.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVT_dm ... kuqPG3pFQg
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 10:47 pm

Yes, it still happens from time to time. Last June I flew back home with SAS ARN-LAX and visited the flight deck when we were over Greenland. Was a clear day, so had amazing views of Greenland. Was there for about 30 minutes!
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Thu May 16, 2019 11:31 pm

Woodreau wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:
It’s a huge shame because I don’t know where the next generation of flyers are going to come from if we cut off even basic attempts at outreach like this?


The next generation will come from the social media “influencers”. This guys already got his YouTube Play button and his flow through to American.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVT_dm ... kuqPG3pFQg



A generation of insta-pilots.

I wonder if they’ll be too busy taking selfies of themselves in their seats to look out of the window and contemplate the view?
 
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Fri May 17, 2019 3:04 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Woodreau wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:
It’s a huge shame because I don’t know where the next generation of flyers are going to come from if we cut off even basic attempts at outreach like this?


The next generation will come from the social media “influencers”. This guys already got his YouTube Play button and his flow through to American.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVT_dm ... kuqPG3pFQg



A generation of insta-pilots.

I wonder if they’ll be too busy taking selfies of themselves in their seats to look out of the window and contemplate the view?


I've flown with quite a few pilots in their early twenties. They contemplate the view just fine.
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Re: Flight Deck visit in-flight?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:08 am

Last December I was asked if I’d be an attendant on a freighter we’d chartered.
After being given a cockpit safety briefing (Evac, O2 procedures, etc. No photo/film, no talking), I had the middle jump seat for takeoff and landing. A truly amazing experience...

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