AntonioMartin
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727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:53 pm

Hi! Just out of curiosity could a 727 fly Texas-PR non-stop?

Its a question I've long had in my mind and doubt anyone posted here before....back in the day I used to see plenty of Mexicana 727's from Mexico City at San Juan which is a comparable distance but with the variable that Mexicana's flights between SJU and MEX were probably pretty straight arrowed, whereas a Continental, Braniff, American or (dare i say it since they once operated a couple) Southwest flight from Texas would have to fly through large amounts of water-space or get not farther than two hours away from the gulf coast states...which would be in the first scenario kind of dangerous (running out of fuel over a large water space) and the second one gas consuming, and probably requiring a gas stop along the way.

Well that's what I imagine anyways and I wonder.

I did see plenty of American 727s at SJU back then but I always thought they came from either JFK, NWR or MIA. (for the record, other 727 operators at SJU that I saw personally were Avianca, VIASA, Pan Am, Eastern, Air Jamaica, Lacsa and Dominicana, don't think Eastern or Pan Am ever flew PR-TX and obviously neither did the others)

Thanks for your answers, God bless!
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:05 pm

Probably could. There are more than one reclear points so range and divert opportunities exist. Three engines overwater was not uncommon. I operated many charter flights with both 727-100 and -200 aircraft over comparable routes with standard tankage.
 
AntonioMartin
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 pm

113312 wrote:
Probably could. There are more than one reclear points so range and divert opportunities exist. Three engines overwater was not uncommon. I operated many charter flights with both 727-100 and -200 aircraft over comparable routes with standard tankage.

Thanks! Out of curiosity..what airline did you fly for?
 
BoeingGuy
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:21 am

According to this thread AA did it.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1425953
 
timz
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:07 pm

It seems AA started DFW-SJU in 1982

http://www.departedflights.com/AADFWhub.html

I'll check -- probably a 727?
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:27 pm

timz wrote:
It seems AA started DFW-SJU in 1982

http://www.departedflights.com/AADFWhub.html

I'll check -- probably a 727?

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1425953

Apparently, yes.

In my ten year old then mind, I thought the '27 was too small for such a route. I always guessed they came from Miami, St. Maarten (AA did have a non-hub SJU-St Maarten flight back then) or the NY area.

What did I know?? lol
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:51 pm

Checked 1982 and 1984 OAGs -- DFW-SJU was 72S.
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:18 pm

So I see the -200 Advanced had the range. Was this with the use of the optional cargo bladder tanks or could it do it with just the regular fuel tanks? How much range could these tanks add to the plane. I remember DL had a couple of airframes that had the Aft Cargo tank installed and I know the Fwd Cargo had the ability in those aircraft, but we operated with out the tanks installed.
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:21 pm

At 1881 nm, I see no reason why a 727-200ADV could not operate DFW-SJU-DFW easily with standard tankage. Even the overwater issues are vitually non-existent, as a GC route clips the nothern end of the Gulf of Mexico and east of Florida, you follow along the Bahamas.

The route flown by Air Canada I mentioned on the other thread, YYZ-BGI is 2106 nm and was flown with standard tankage and -15 engines.

The only issue might be if weather over the Caribbean does not allow a close alternate.
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:42 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
So I see the -200 Advanced had the range. Was this with the use of the optional cargo bladder tanks or could it do it with just the regular fuel tanks? How much range could these tanks add to the plane. I remember DL had a couple of airframes that had the Aft Cargo tank installed and I know the Fwd Cargo had the ability in those aircraft, but we operated with out the tanks installed.


As I recall.... the Boeing Aux tank installation was an aft 6000# and another fwd 6000# tank. They had dedicated boost pumps that xferd fuel to the center tank.
 
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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:18 pm

That sounds right, EA had some planes with 54,000-ish max fuel.

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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:24 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
That sounds right, EA had some planes with 54,000-ish max fuel.

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Re: 727s Texas to Puerto Rico and viceversa non-stop?

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:26 am

Our -15 and -17R powered ones were 54.0; the -9 or was it -11 -223s were the basic 48.0

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