dfwjim1
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Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:10 pm

For those of you work as air traffic controllers do you like to listen to other controllers at your home airport and/or other airports using LiveATC.net?

Thanks for your responses.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:17 am

dfwjim1 wrote:
For those of you work as air traffic controllers do you like to listen to other controllers at your home airport and/or other airports using LiveATC.net?

Thanks for your responses.


No. (Many moons ago in a previous life.) That and it's illegal where I live.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:10 pm

No
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:25 pm

I retired almost seven years ago and I never listened to LiveATC.net. I will admit to having listened to it a couple of times now when a couple of my friends (corporate and airline drivers) are coming or going from IAH just to see if they screw anything up so I can screw with them next time I see them, but those times are few and far between.
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:30 pm

geologyrocks wrote:
No


It's a typical response, people like to leave their work at work.

On the other hand, I'm a pilot not an ATC specialist, but I like to fly little airplanes on my days off. I also watch "nerd's videos" on Youtube, or even DVD. Most, maybe 75% of my colleagues think that's crazy-talk. So I guess there will be a few controllers who like to listen to the chatter, in the same way that I like to fly on the weekends, but I bet most will have the above to say in the matter.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:42 pm

As aeropix says, most people tend to leave their work at work.

Anecdotally, I know several airline pilots who are military flight simulator enthusiasts. However, I know none who would sim of their own aircraft.
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:21 am

KingOrGod wrote:

No. (Many moons ago in a previous life.) That and it's illegal where I live.


Pardon my ignorance, but how can it be illegal to listen to the radio? I can certainly see that unauthorized broadcasting on these channels should be forbidden, but what is the legitimate reason for telling people they can't tune their radio receivers to ATC frequencies?
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:55 am

andrewfarmer wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:

No. (Many moons ago in a previous life.) That and it's illegal where I live.


Pardon my ignorance, but how can it be illegal to listen to the radio? I can certainly see that unauthorized broadcasting on these channels should be forbidden, but what is the legitimate reason for telling people they can't tune their radio receivers to ATC frequencies?


It's not just radio. It's radio/telephony, and according to the law, you are not the intended recipient of those transmissions. Hence you won't find LiveATC for European airports.

OFCOM in the UK states:

Interception and disclosure of messages
(1) A person commits an offence if, [F1without lawful authority] —
(a) he uses wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information as to the contents, sender or addressee of a message (whether sent by means of wireless telegraphy or not) of which neither he nor a person on whose behalf he is acting is an intended recipient, or

Although it's not where I live I am subject to similar laws. If you aren't meant to be hearing something then you shouldn't be. Think of it as like eavesdropping on a cellphone call. I guess it's viewed the same.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:51 am

KingOrGod wrote:
andrewfarmer wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:

No. (Many moons ago in a previous life.) That and it's illegal where I live.


Pardon my ignorance, but how can it be illegal to listen to the radio? I can certainly see that unauthorized broadcasting on these channels should be forbidden, but what is the legitimate reason for telling people they can't tune their radio receivers to ATC frequencies?


It's not just radio. It's radio/telephony, and according to the law, you are not the intended recipient of those transmissions. Hence you won't find LiveATC for European airports.

OFCOM in the UK states:

Interception and disclosure of messages
(1) A person commits an offence if, [F1without lawful authority] —
(a) he uses wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information as to the contents, sender or addressee of a message (whether sent by means of wireless telegraphy or not) of which neither he nor a person on whose behalf he is acting is an intended recipient, or

Although it's not where I live I am subject to similar laws. If you aren't meant to be hearing something then you shouldn't be. Think of it as like eavesdropping on a cellphone call. I guess it's viewed the same.


In many places it is also illegal to record without the consent of all involved, making it in practice difficult to do anything with it.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:52 am

KingOrGod wrote:
andrewfarmer wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:
It's not just radio. It's radio/telephony, and according to the law, you are not the intended recipient of those transmissions. Hence you won't find LiveATC for European airports.


Which totally explains why I am listening to LPPT (Lisbon) Approach right now on LiveATC... :roll:
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:18 am

All Dutch airports are on LiveATC. Belgium and French airports are not (as far as I checked). So, not all European countries are on LiveATC, but some are . . . (haven't checked them all)
 
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:05 am

IAHFLYR wrote:
I will admit to having listened to it a couple of times now when a couple of my friends (corporate and airline drivers) are coming or going from IAH just to see if they screw anything up so I can screw with them next time I see them

And how did that turn out.
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:47 pm

aeropix wrote:
geologyrocks wrote:
No


It's a typical response, people like to leave their work at work.

On the other hand, I'm a pilot not an ATC specialist, but I like to fly little airplanes on my days off. I also watch "nerd's videos" on Youtube, or even DVD. Most, maybe 75% of my colleagues think that's crazy-talk. So I guess there will be a few controllers who like to listen to the chatter, in the same way that I like to fly on the weekends, but I bet most will have the above to say in the matter.


Wouldn't really call GA flying the same as doing a long haul flight on autopilot. More like a long range trucker doing some track racing on the weekends.
 
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:00 pm

unimproved wrote:
aeropix wrote:
geologyrocks wrote:
No


It's a typical response, people like to leave their work at work.

On the other hand, I'm a pilot not an ATC specialist, but I like to fly little airplanes on my days off. I also watch "nerd's videos" on Youtube, or even DVD. Most, maybe 75% of my colleagues think that's crazy-talk. So I guess there will be a few controllers who like to listen to the chatter, in the same way that I like to fly on the weekends, but I bet most will have the above to say in the matter.


Wouldn't really call GA flying the same as doing a long haul flight on autopilot. More like a long range trucker doing some track racing on the weekends.


What would explain the numerous 12+ hour GA legs I’ve flown. A friend just did a 15-hour GA flight.

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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:14 pm

aeropix wrote:
geologyrocks wrote:
No


It's a typical response, people like to leave their work at work.

On the other hand, I'm a pilot not an ATC specialist, but I like to fly little airplanes on my days off. I also watch "nerd's videos" on Youtube, or even DVD. Most, maybe 75% of my colleagues think that's crazy-talk. So I guess there will be a few controllers who like to listen to the chatter, in the same way that I like to fly on the weekends, but I bet most will have the above to say in the matter.


My response really wasn’t about leaving work at work. I love my job - sure like any other job I have days where it’s terrible - but at the end of the day, I still enjoy it and I have no problems talking about work outside work. I too enjoy nerd videos on YouTube.

I just don’t know why any controller would listen to LiveATC unless there was a specific situation to listen to. Crossing restrictions, vectors, other clearances...It’s all the same. To me, it would be like wanting to listen to someone speak your native language because you want to hear someone speak your native language - it just doesn’t make a lot of sense. But I totally it’s a great thing for any student pilot or controller to listen to even just so they can try and understand what is said the first time. We all talk a little fast and it was hard for me when I first started out. Once you learn how to talk then listening improves because you’re actually listening for the clearance rather than also trying to learn the phraseology at the same time.
 
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:15 pm

AirKevin wrote:
And how did that turn out.


How would you expect it to turn out? :) They've not given me any ammunition as of yet, but if they do it will turn out exactly like I'd expect.....lots of laughs.
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:23 am

airportugal310 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:
andrewfarmer wrote:


Which totally explains why I am listening to LPPT (Lisbon) Approach right now on LiveATC... :roll:


Alright pedant.

I will correct myself: Many European countries.

There you go, can unbunch yourself now.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:43 am

KingOrGod wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:


Which totally explains why I am listening to LPPT (Lisbon) Approach right now on LiveATC... :roll:


Alright pedant.

I will correct myself: Many European countries.

There you go, can unbunch yourself now.


Just because somebody is live-streaming RTF onto the internet, doesn't mean it is legal.
 
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:49 am

I'm a pilot, not a controller, but I've never listened to LiveATC except for once when I first heard about it and decided to see what it was and how it compared. I imagine most pilots and ATC controllers feel the same way, though I always watched the video recordings of Kennedy Steve on YouTube, now that guy's a riot :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers - LiveATC.net

Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:03 am

triple3driver wrote:
I'm a pilot, not a controller, but I've never listened to LiveATC except for once when I first heard about it and decided to see what it was and how it compared. I imagine most pilots and ATC controllers feel the same way, though I always watched the video recordings of Kennedy Steve on YouTube, now that guy's a riot :lol: :lol: :lol:

He retired fairly recently. In an interview I learned he worked all sectors of ATC not just ground. But he admitted ground was by far his favorite. Working departure or arrival he had to be serious. I did find a short recording of him doing departure. Same voice but almost like two different people.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:54 pm

timh4000 wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
I'm a pilot, not a controller, but I've never listened to LiveATC except for once when I first heard about it and decided to see what it was and how it compared. I imagine most pilots and ATC controllers feel the same way, though I always watched the video recordings of Kennedy Steve on YouTube, now that guy's a riot :lol: :lol: :lol:

He retired fairly recently. In an interview I learned he worked all sectors of ATC not just ground. But he admitted ground was by far his favorite. Working departure or arrival he had to be serious. I did find a short recording of him doing departure. Same voice but almost like two different people.

Yep, and good on him that he knew when to be serious and when he can let loose a bit, if he did the same thing on tower than I would be pissed, but on ground, well his humor was just about the only thing that brought any sort of joy while on the ground after an 8 hour flight while sitting in the middle of a 30 minute+ taxi with a ramp meltdown at T4
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:06 am

He was a consummate professional even on ground. There was a recording of an engine fire and evacuation. He knew exactly what to do with the right amount of urgency without panic.

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