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Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:39 pm

I am aware that Qatari planes have not been allowed into Bahraini, Emirati, or Saudi airspace when it comes to scheduled routes. But if a QR flight was having an emergency, such as an engine failure, and the most accessible airport was in one of these countries, would they be allowed to divert there?

It would be absolutely merciless for these countries to ban such diversions, given that hundreds of innocent lives would be at risk in a situation like this.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:52 pm

You answered yourself in your own post. In the event that a Qatari flagged aircraft had an emergency geopolitical issues fall on deaf ears. This has happened before in which an American flagged airliner diverted to Iran. Although people on this forum are vastly more knowledgable than me for specifics I believe it was due to engine failure.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:24 am

At least one Iranian divert (NWA) was a medical emergency.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:27 am

At least one Iranian divert (NWA) was a medical emergency. An emergency, yes they’d probably be allowed to land in one of the restricted countries. Using them as a planned alternate, no.

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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:38 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
At least one Iranian divert (NWA) was a medical emergency. An emergency, yes they’d probably be allowed to land in one of the restricted countries. Using them as a planned alternate, no.

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It was a cargo hold smoke detector.
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:34 am

My understanding is that an aircraft in an emergency situation is essentially authorized to land at any suitable airfield. There have been numerous commercial flights that have diverted to military air fields even.

Geopolitical or security concerns can be worked out once safety on the ground.

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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:59 am

An Aircraft on an emergency situation basially owns the skies and can land anywhere where assistance might be provided. Flights will be diverted form its path and it will be able to chose the most conveniente place to land (based on emergency procedures) regardless of any politics issues including blockades.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:11 am

The big question is will it be able to be fixed and flown out?.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:38 am

The simple answer is big NO
any Qatari registered airplane is not allowed to any of the 4 countries (UAE, KSA, Bahrain, and Egypt) under any circumstances. QR route planners knew that since day 1 and the took all alternatives plans for such issue, they don't fly near the 4 countries airspace's and they fly somewhere in which they are allowed to use airports for emergencies, in fact they are one of the few airlines that uses Syrian airspace for at least dozen of their route, it helped them to reach some airports faster and a must alternative from the 4 countries not allowing them to fly.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:08 am

UAEflyer wrote:
The simple answer is big NO
any Qatari registered airplane is not allowed to any of the 4 countries (UAE, KSA, Bahrain, and Egypt) under any circumstances. QR route planners knew that since day 1 and the took all alternatives plans for such issue, they don't fly near the 4 countries airspace's and they fly somewhere in which they are allowed to use airports for emergencies, in fact they are one of the few airlines that uses Syrian airspace for at least dozen of their route, it helped them to reach some airports faster and a must alternative from the 4 countries not allowing them to fly.


Well yes off course, that is the planned world, in the plan, they need to follow all the rules and restrictions. All written in paper looks very nice, but when it comes to an emergency, a very drastic one, which you don't have a choice, for sure they will look anywere no matter what.
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:11 pm

bennett123 wrote:
The big question is will it be able to be fixed and flown out?.


I think a good look at that would be the Norwegian 737MAX that had to divert to Iran earlier this year. It had some issues getting parts into the country but usually exemptions are made in these sorts of scenarios making it not that big of a deal just logistically frustrating and may take time.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:02 pm

UAEflyer wrote:
The simple answer is big NO
any Qatari registered airplane is not allowed to any of the 4 countries (UAE, KSA, Bahrain, and Egypt) under any circumstances. QR route planners knew that since day 1 and the took all alternatives plans for such issue, they don't fly near the 4 countries airspace's and they fly somewhere in which they are allowed to use airports for emergencies, in fact they are one of the few airlines that uses Syrian airspace for at least dozen of their route, it helped them to reach some airports faster and a must alternative from the 4 countries not allowing them to fly.

That is not true. If your emergency requires you to divert to a closer airport than what you have planned if that airport is in a blockaded country it does not matter. On the fight plans it is explained to the pilots that avoid if possible certain airports. They will not be refused an emergency landing.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:15 pm

Of course you can land, handling, repairs, passengers handling and departure are all optional.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:03 pm

I know this is A.net where everything is made up and the points don't matter, but can we please get our terminology right?

Bahrain, Emirates and Saudi isn't blockaded, Qatar is.
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:36 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
At least one Iranian divert (NWA) was a medical emergency. An emergency, yes they’d probably be allowed to land in one of the restricted countries. Using them as a planned alternate, no.

GF

It was a cargo hold smoke detector.


You are correct. The NWA DC10 that diverted had a faulty cargo fire indicator and chose to divert to Iran. The NWA Captain had flown for Iran Air as a contractor previously and met some of his former Irainian associates who were glad to see him again. Generally speaking pilots are pilots and put asside political BS that they have little control over. Later after he retired from NWA he worked at Boeing, and he is still involved in training of some sort in the northwest. He is a funny story teller and I always enjoy him relating the story, usually after a couple of beers.
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:24 pm

Kinda makes one laugh at how fundamentally stupid humandkind is.

“We do not like your country, you are considered an enemy, do not drive your cars here, don’t fly your planes through our airspace, we will threaten...

Oh, you’re having troubles? Never mind come and land. Any runway you want.

Ok did you fix your problem? Great. Off you go then. Safe travels.

Noooow you are the enemy! Stay away from our airspace! Your political status is bad!”
 
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Re: Can Qatari planes divert to airports in blockaded countries?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:45 am

Zeke2517 wrote:
Kinda makes one laugh at how fundamentally stupid humandkind is.

“We do not like your country, you are considered an enemy, do not drive your cars here, don’t fly your planes through our airspace, we will threaten...

Oh, you’re having troubles? Never mind come and land. Any runway you want.

Ok did you fix your problem? Great. Off you go then. Safe travels.

Noooow you are the enemy! Stay away from our airspace! Your political status is bad!”


True. Probably because while politicians can make policy, the people who actually run operations have to live in the real world, where stuff that doesn't fit neatly into policy happens. Said politicians would not be too happy if you created an international incident by denying help to an aircraft in distress.

A somewhat similar case is the airspace between Turkey and Cyprus. The border is contested and both countries claim jurisdiction. Controllers have to live in the real world, though, so you are controlled by Larnaca, but must report all clearances to Ershan so that they can also "clear you". I'm guessing due to politics a direct link between the ATC units is forbidden, or something like that.
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