fago
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Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:25 am

I want to know if some type of license for the instructor is required to provide engine run up and taxi on an FSTD device, for the technical staff and if apply any regulation.

Thanks.

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fr8mech
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:06 pm

You will probably need to specify country, regulating authority and operator if you want an answer that means anything to you.

Having been a field instructor (for maintenance) on the B747, I can tell you I went through a class offered by my employer, and followed the guidelines of our GMM & GOM, along with the specific sections of the AMM.

The only FAA regulation I know of would be the one that governs our various manuals...loosely, write what you do, do what you write.
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:07 pm

No license where I am. In order to checkout someone you have to be a designee. It can either be a training instructor or a qualified AMT, depending on weather it's an initial or a requal. This can and does change.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:37 am

Out here its an Authorisation to carry out Taxi and Engine ground run, both seperately stated in the authorisation issued.
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:57 pm

All the above and a Radio Operators permit here in the US, assuming you are going to actually taxi the aircraft in question.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:17 pm

For US Carriers:
A&P License with experience
Fleet type gen-fam with fleet specific engine type
Airline run/taxi training (Classroom, touch panel, simulator)
Check out ride (simulator, live aircraft)
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:58 pm

twincommander wrote:
For US Carriers:
A&P License with experience
Fleet type gen-fam with fleet specific engine type
Airline run/taxi training (Classroom, touch panel, simulator)
Check out ride (simulator, live aircraft)


Can you point to the relevant FAR?
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Lpbri
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:25 am

I can vouch for twincommander. We have some fleets that have CBT training followed by checkout. For later fleets, classroom training followed by checkout. Either way, a PITA, and these MGMT people complain whenever no qualified people are availble
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:21 am

twincommander's statement:

twincommander wrote:
For US Carriers:


implies an FAR is the driving the requirement. Near as I can tell, there isn't.

I worked for a carrier where I held run/taxi authorization after a check ride with a check captain. No FAM class or taxi class. The A&P is implied.

My current employer does require FAM & the Taxi Class...plus a 2 year recurrent.
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:26 am

I wasn't basing my statement to a FAR.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:32 pm

Wouldn't the FAA PMI/POI have some authority that was handed down to the operator to authorize this in a Part 121 operations? I have a hard time imagining a Maintainability Tech taxing the 787 from A1 to the Delta Tech Ops facility without lots of official approvals in place.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:27 pm

twincommander wrote:
For US Carriers:
A&P License with experience
Fleet type gen-fam with fleet specific engine type
Airline run/taxi training (Classroom, touch panel, simulator)
Check out ride (simulator, live aircraft)


That's pretty accurate for my former carrier. However, I do recall a couple of incidents that caused serious damage - both at EWR. One was a 727 taxiing to a gate that hit the terminal wall (IIRC, hydraulic pumps off and they ran out of brake accumulator pressure) and another was a MD-80 engine start at the gate, the aircraft jumped the chocks and hit the wall (some pretty famous photos of that are on-line).
My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:52 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Wouldn't the FAA PMI/POI have some authority that was handed down to the operator to authorize this in a Part 121 operations? I have a hard time imagining a Maintainability Tech taxing the 787 from A1 to the Delta Tech Ops facility without lots of official approvals in place.


There may be some airport certifications in place. I understand ORD has some pretty stringent rules in place, not sure about ATL. Closest I can come to some FAR is really an all encompassing FAR concerning manuals. Basically, the FAA approves your manuals, so anything in your manuals is an extension of the FAR’s. It’s a loose interpretation, but during my time on the MXASAP ERC, the FAA guy made no bones about being able to violate someone for violation of the FAR’s if he didn’t follow company procedure.

I used to tax747 all around JFK back in the 80’s when I worked for Evergreen, a Part 121 carrier. My only “training” was a check ride with a check captain.
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:23 am

at United I was Idle run Taxi and Hi Power engine run qualified on the 727, 737-200, 300, 500, DC8-71, 747-100/200 and DC-10. I went to run and Taxi on the 767 but never ran one as I became a foreman and didn't have the time nor opportunity to stay current, I was however CAT3 qualified on the A320/A319, and the 767 which I had to maintain until I retired.
 
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Re: Engine run up and taxi for mainteinance people

Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:49 pm

The qualification in the US is whatever is approved by the FAA in a carriers General Maintenance Manual. I've seen everything from any mechanic that has been signed off by the airline's Chief Inspector (that was a real small airline) to Gen Fam training for type, yearly medical, yearly taxi CBT, One time company taxi school including full motion sim time and local check ride.

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