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Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:22 pm

Firebomber in Russia and Australia.
Waterbomber in Canada.
Airtanker and Firebomber (Coulson) in the States.

Which is the most accurate term?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-76
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_fi ... _Australia
https://www.coulsonaviationusa.com/
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:31 pm

I don't think there is a single "most accurate" term. They're just regional language differences. Like lift vs elevator, or reheat vs afterburner.
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:06 am

We use to just call them Borate bombers.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:39 am

Slurry bombers also. Arrived in Winslow AZ. Early am in 75 . Tied down 182, went to town. Return after sunrise. It was like the movie "Always". WW 2 bombers filled the ramp. It was pretty neat. Coffee shop was jumping. Always liked that movie.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:50 am

As a Canadian I have always said Water bomber, for me it just makes sense. Your Bombing with water, interesting though I have never heard of a Fire bomber.
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:16 am

I would equate "Fire Bomber" with Incenidary or Napalm.

Like anything you have to rely on the concept/topic of what you are discussing.

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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:09 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
Firebomber in Russia and Australia.
Waterbomber in Canada.
Airtanker and Firebomber (Coulson) in the States.

Or...… Avion bombardier d'eau in French (Bombardier LOL)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avion_bombardier_d%27eau

And the Italians seem to share your concerns over the diversity of terms.

it.wikipedia.org wrote:
In passato furono coniati una ampia gamma di termini per questo tipo di interventi, che si potevano riferire sia ai metodi utilizzati che agli apparecchi impiegati. Si parla quindi di "Airtanker" o "water bomber" quando ci si riferisce a velivolo ad ala fissa, mentre si preferisce utilizzare il termine in inglese di "Helitak" (helicopter attack), quando vengono impiegati elicotteri. Un altro termine utilizzato molto di frequente da parte della stampa e dai media per velivoli ad ala fissa è quello di "fire bomber" o "borate bomber".

In the past, a wide range of terms were coined for this type of intervention, which could refer to both the methods used and the devices used. We therefore speak of "Airtanker" or "water bomber" when referring to fixed wing aircraft, while we prefer to use the English term of "Helitak" (helicopter attack), when helicopters are used. Another term used very frequently by the press and the media for fixed-wing aircraft is that of "fire bomber" or "borate bomber"


"Helitak" is a new one to me; this S-64 was suppressing a fire threatening Quarto dei Mille, a residential district in the east of Genoa (2009)
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:55 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Firebomber in Russia and Australia.
Waterbomber in Canada.
Airtanker and Firebomber (Coulson) in the States.

Or...… Avion bombardier d'eau in French (Bombardier LOL)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avion_bombardier_d%27eau


And now we know what the strange second water system is on all BD aircraft that is missing on the C series. /humour
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:52 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Firebomber in Russia and Australia.
Waterbomber in Canada.
Airtanker and Firebomber (Coulson) in the States.

Or...… Avion bombardier d'eau in French (Bombardier LOL)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avion_bombardier_d%27eau


And now we know what the strange second water system is on all BD aircraft that is missing on the C series. /humour


For me, these are the two most elegant water bombers; the Beriev Be-200 and Bombardier Q400 Bombardier :biggrin:


IBut I also recognize the Canadair CL-415 is more often than not the best tool for the job, and handsome in a rugged kind of way)
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:18 am

Be-200 is one of the few (the only?) purpose-built waterbombers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:45 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
Be-200 is one of the few (the only?) purpose-built waterbombers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200


CL-415
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:17 pm

And its predecessor, the CL-215.
So... that's 3 types, purpose-built.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:30 pm

Classa64 wrote:
As a Canadian I have always said Water bomber, for me it just makes sense. Your Bombing with water.


Kinda like how this is a water truck:
https://mk0firelineequi8waur.kinstacdn. ... C_0164.jpg

and this is a fire truck:
https://dynamicmedia.zuza.com/zz/m/orig ... rtrait.jpg

I kid, I kid. I call them waterbombers too.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:44 pm

We call an aircraft a bomber due to the ordinance it carries and how it discharges it, not by what it hits on the ground. That’s why I call it a water bomber. A Fire bomber sounds like bombing with fire or is bombing the fire with anything.
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:36 am

That first is not a fire truck, it’s either a rescue or it’s an engineer, perhaps a pumper. A fire truck is an apparatus that has a powered aerial device, ground ladders and rescue equipment. If you want to put out a fire, don’t ask for a truck.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:33 am

My ARFF vocabulary just expanded. Thx, GF.

Two additions: crash tender, and snozzle.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:46 am

WPvsMW wrote:
Firebomber in Russia and Australia.
Waterbomber in Canada.
Airtanker and Firebomber (Coulson) in the States.

Which is the most accurate term?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-76
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_fi ... _Australia
https://www.coulsonaviationusa.com/


they're more or less generic terms for an airborne fire fighting airplane or even Helicopter. I've seen in years past even the Sky crane used in firefighting service,
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 am

Skycrane! Strange... but true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q--ZwolycbM at 2:27 and 4:22. Wheels in the water! Scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRPO_Fg2h_I at 1:24... a more cautious pilot.
 
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Re: Firebomber or waterbomber or airtanker

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:53 pm

In British Columbia Canada the term that the wildfire service uses is Airtanker, probably the best because it covers both the water skimmers & the retardant tankers. General public & media are the ones that use the term water bomber.

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