frostymod
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N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:06 pm

Hello all,

Just curious, how did Kalitta Air manage to evacuate 200 Americans in N705CK, a freighter? Did they have to fit seats in the plane? Are freighters capable of this type of conversion?

Thank you.
 
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zeke
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:23 pm

frostymod wrote:
Hello all,

Just curious, how did Kalitta Air manage to evacuate 200 Americans in N705CK, a freighter? Did they have to fit seats in the plane? Are freighters capable of this type of conversion?

Thank you.


I don’t know what they did in this case, however I have seen seats on pallets before that lock into the normal cargo floor.

Used to be QC - quick change aircraft that took seats out regularly to convert between pax, Combi, and freight.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:31 pm

I've also seen toilets on pallets, and a small galley unit. Saw those on C-141s - 40 years ago. Dang I'm old.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:18 pm

Conrad holds a 747 load of STD's for the 747.

Kit in relation to the 47's load system is one of his major money makers.

Okie
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:04 pm

Might need to take something for them before something falls off.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:53 pm

zeke wrote:
Might need to take something for them before something falls off.

Thanks Zeke make that STC instead of something that won't wash off with soap and water. :shock:

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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:10 pm

Murphy is an optimist
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:51 pm

Wonder how the pax oxygen might work? I have never seen this in the 747 much less any other ac. I suppose you could just keep the cruise alt below FL250 and perhaps that was another reason for the PANC technical stop??
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:12 pm

Flightaware shows a cruise altitude a bit below FL300. Maybe 270. For both legs WHU-ANC and ANC-RIV.

Aircraft is at FL380 just south of Lake Tahoe headed to SEA right now.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:45 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Wonder how the pax oxygen might work? I have never seen this in the 747 much less any other ac. I suppose you could just keep the cruise alt below FL250 and perhaps that was another reason for the PANC technical stop??


We carry pax on our L-382's. Seats are on pallets, and underneath each seat there is a portable O2 generator. I'd guess they have the same set-up there. 10min to go from combi to full freighter.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:17 pm

SAAFNAV wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Wonder how the pax oxygen might work? I have never seen this in the 747 much less any other ac. I suppose you could just keep the cruise alt below FL250 and perhaps that was another reason for the PANC technical stop??


We carry pax on our L-382's. Seats are on pallets, and underneath each seat there is a portable O2 generator. I'd guess they have the same set-up there. 10min to go from combi to full freighter.



Thanks, I guess that would make some sense.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:00 pm

Would I be right in saying that those seats look/are some old NWA seats?!
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:41 pm

FARmd90 wrote:
Would I be right in saying that those seats look/are some old NWA seats?!



You are kidding....right?
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:20 am

FARmd90 wrote:
Would I be right in saying that those seats look/are some old NWA seats?!


They are very likely old NWA seats. Connie bought 2 pax classics when he bought the freighter fleet so there are probably ~700 seats in Oscoda.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:07 am

Interesting setup.

Though I'm curious as to why a passenger aircraft couldn't be chartered for 200 pax.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:04 am

Francoflier wrote:
Interesting setup.

Though I'm curious as to why a passenger aircraft couldn't be chartered for 200 pax.

Likely a case of airlines not wanting to have the responsibility and deal with the aftermath if it does spread inflight.

Kalitta will do anything for money.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:34 pm

Francoflier wrote:
Though I'm curious as to why a passenger aircraft couldn't be chartered for 200 pax.


Kalitta has long had a good reputation for being able to get an aircraft available for very short notice requirements.

Another thought is the isolation point, including separate cooling, heating and ventilation systems.

The cockpit crew was isolated from the pax the entire trip.

Some freighters had been built or converted that way. Mainly to ensure the cockpit crew is not incapicated from smoke and fumes from a cargo deck fire.

I'm not sure the big twin engine jets have that capability.

Wasn't Kalitta the company that figured out how to move an Ebola patient and keep the medical area isolated from the flight crew area?
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:29 pm

unimproved wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Interesting setup.

Though I'm curious as to why a passenger aircraft couldn't be chartered for 200 pax.

Likely a case of airlines not wanting to have the responsibility and deal with the aftermath if it does spread inflight.

Kalitta will do anything for money.


Probably alot easier to clean and disinfect as well.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:23 pm

rfields5421 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:

Wasn't Kalitta the company that figured out how to move an Ebola patient and keep the medical area isolated from the flight crew area?


No that was Phoenix Air in a Gulfstream.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:53 am

Even though definitely an unusual flight, how was it legal to carry that many passengers with no cabin crew?

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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:54 am

Cadet985 wrote:
Even though definitely an unusual flight, how was it legal to carry that many passengers with no cabin crew?

Marc


Cabin crew can operate on cargo aircraft...
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:29 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
Even though definitely an unusual flight, how was it legal to carry that many passengers with no cabin crew?

Marc


Cabin crew can operate on cargo aircraft...


Wonder if this was even operating as a Part 121 flight? Might have been exempt depending on how the flight was being flown.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:08 pm

shamrock137 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
Even though definitely an unusual flight, how was it legal to carry that many passengers with no cabin crew?

Marc


Cabin crew can operate on cargo aircraft...


Wonder if this was even operating as a Part 121 flight? Might have been exempt depending on how the flight was being flown.



That's good question. Suspect you are on to something.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:09 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
Even though definitely an unusual flight, how was it legal to carry that many passengers with no cabin crew?

Marc


Cabin crew can operate on cargo aircraft...


You’re right. Some cargo airlines fly with a loadmaster...but the article says that passengers and crew were kept separate.

Marc
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:50 pm

3 more of his -400's are getting seats for more flights. N713CK just left Oscoda today for ICN.
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:18 pm

tb727 wrote:
3 more of his -400's are getting seats for more flights. N713CK just left Oscoda today for ICN.


N706CK is also enroute, according to Flightradar24.
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:12 am

Lot of good information here. US ordered four means they are expecting lot more rescue flights.

Are the evacuation procedures same as passenger plane? Number of exits, slides, rafts ...
 
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Re: N705CK Evacuation

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:39 am

tb727 wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
Would I be right in saying that those seats look/are some old NWA seats?!


They are very likely old NWA seats. Connie bought 2 pax classics when he bought the freighter fleet so there are probably ~700 seats in Oscoda.


There are also old passenger 744s used for parts to maintain the current K4 fleet. K4 is likely the major supplier for 747 parts in the USA. But key here is that these frames were built as freighters from the get-go, meaning the flight deck is likely isolated. The only other real option here is 5X or 5Y 747-400 and 747-8 freighters, but their aircraft are likely already accounted for elsewhere in the workd.

K4 also has previously transported Ebola equipment (via nose-loading); this might be why the US government chartered K4 planes for these missions---prior successful experience in association with Phoenix Air and the CDC,: https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight ... -patients/

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