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3 inflight crew members instead of 4? Will airlines remove seats?

Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:41 pm

How soon will US airlines remove seats on their Boeing and Airbus Narrow-Body Equipment to 150 seats so they may be crewed by 3 flight attendants instead of 4 flight attendants when going over 150 seats?

In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.

All US airlines are in survival mode for the next year or so.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:44 pm

Changes like that require money
 
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Removing seats increase costs. Less seats means less revenue.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:51 pm

enilria wrote:
Changes like that require money


Placards are cheap.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:54 pm

I would think placards and waivers could be implemented fairly quickly in these times.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:56 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
How soon will US airlines remove seats on their Boeing and Airbus Narrow-Body Equipment to 150 seats so they may be crewed by 3 flight attendants instead of 4 flight attendants when going over 150 seats?

In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.

All US airlines are in survival mode for the next year or so.



Along the same lines then, why not drop down to 100 available seats so you only need 2?
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:59 pm

Not happening.
Pax unconcerned enough to traverse airports and board a plane are not concerned enough about an extra 9" of lateral seperation (mid seat block/removal) to pay the significant upcharge. They few that are will (already have been) flying J/F.

One F/A is the cheapest element of the coming changes to Airline costs, be in increased cleaning (greater turn times), decreased utilization, furloughs/layoffs, possible gate space modifications.

When the public does start flying again, they will be paying far higher fares. Initially, low load factors will allow people to space out, and they naturally will, but eventually the perceived importance will fade.

Short of regulation, sardine can seating will remain.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:01 pm

dmg626 wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
How soon will US airlines remove seats on their Boeing and Airbus Narrow-Body Equipment to 150 seats so they may be crewed by 3 flight attendants instead of 4 flight attendants when going over 150 seats?

In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.

All US airlines are in survival mode for the next year or so.



Along the same lines then, why not drop down to 100 available seats so you only need 2?

Itd be cool to fly on a 50 seat 777.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:01 pm

If I remember correctly, EASA counts it differently. If max number of seats X takes that many FAs, it is X-50 seats when FA can be removed
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:02 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
enilria wrote:
Changes like that require money


Placards are cheap.

I do not think placarding seats unusable negates them from the counting of 121.391, and either way I believe one would have to demonstrate/ certify that in that config the a/c can be evacuated in compliance with the regs with the lower FA count. Also I suspect the savings of losing 1 FA would not be offset by the man hours to remove the seats or placard them if that was deemed permissible. Seems to me the more effective solution is to just put smaller equipment on the given route.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:03 pm

They will follow applicable laws regarding staffing, most flights will be downgauged to the extent possible and frequencies adjusted too.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:06 pm

Well answered, FlyHappy.

We don't know the duration of this sharp drop-off in flying. I don't expect we'll be back at 100% of pre-crisis passenger numbers in a year but that's a hunch, not analysis, and you don't reconfigure planes on a hunch. I don't see the proposed change leading to a meaningful reduction in FA count across the U.S. industry. Yes, I can point to 160-seat DL 738s, but UA configures them for 166, and AA at 172. I don't see AA hurrying to give up 22 seats.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:21 pm

Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.
 
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AirFiero wrote:
Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.


It isn't.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:36 pm

These are special times, but..........

The UN is fundamentally opposed to such concessions, as counter to CORSIA principles of right sizing, maximising efficiency, minimising carbon, etc.

The airline industry has an almost 180 degree view, keen to see dynamic charging, based on specific flights not specific aircraft, along the lines some surface transport operators enjoy with heavy vehicles paying fees based on actual, rather than maximum GVW.

Dynamic crewing is just one step in the process (others include ATC, landing, ground handling), which will be resisted by unions and the UN, promoted by the airlines, with IATA probably safest sitting on the fence.

Technology makes anything possible. There are already airlines operating dynamic cabin cleaning contracts based on actual seats occupied. There are already airlines with hull insurance based on actual flight hours flown per day payable within one calendar day (insurers will be taking a bath now as aircraft are laid up and revert to static hull cover only).
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:53 pm

My airline is researching blocking the last row of seats on our A319's to make it a 150-seater, so they'd be able to use them with reduced crew (3cc instead of 4). Might not see the day of light now that 90% of the fleet is down anyway.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:54 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.


A placard wouldn't suffice. AA blocked some middle seats on the 738 to bring the seat count down with fixed tray tables similar to what European airlines used for their Eurobusiness seats. That effectively makes the seat unusable.


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StinkyPinky wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.


A placard wouldn't suffice. AA blocked some middle seats on the 738 to bring the seat count down with fixed tray tables similar to what European airlines used for their Eurobusiness seats. That effectively makes the seat unusable.


https://onemileatatime.com/americans-new-best-coach-seat-on-the-737/


Ah, the days when jetBlue dropped to 150 seats on an A320 to get 3 flight attendents. And now as A319 does it.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:07 pm

Do you still require the same number of flight attendants even if the flight is nearly empty?
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:12 pm

The additional seats can just be blocked.. same deal as when a CA gets sick off base... pax count is limited to 150 even though there's 189 actual seats
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:13 pm

Drucocu wrote:
My airline is researching blocking the last row of seats on our A319's to make it a 150-seater, so they'd be able to use them with reduced crew (3cc instead of 4). Might not see the day of light now that 90% of the fleet is down anyway.

It us sufficient to remove the seat cushions and put into the lower cargo hold.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Maybe we can get carriers to introduce a European Business Class which has the middle seat blocked. So you have First Class, Business, and Economy.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:27 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Do you still require the same number of flight attendants even if the flight is nearly empty?


Yes. The number is based on the amount of seats available, not passengers onboard. That said, some authorities will allow airlines to block seats (make them unavailable in one way or another), and so reduce the amount.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:28 pm

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Do you still require the same number of flight attendants even if the flight is nearly empty?

It depends on the country under who’s laws you are governed.

For example, in the United States, cabin crew requirements are predicated on seats installed. In Canada, cabin crew requirements on wide body aircraft are predicated on the number of passengers, subject to an aircraft type minimum.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:35 pm

jetskipper wrote:
I would think placards and waivers could be implemented fairly quickly in these times.


Yes sometimes thinking out of the box is necessary as long as safety is not impeded.

dmg626 wrote:
Along the same lines then, why not drop down to 100 available seats so you only need 2?


Well on wide bodies I recall situations in which if one cabin door went “in-operative,” the flight could still be dispatched if passengers were reseated away from the inoperable door on both sides of the aisles. Yes it’s formula-tic...

So basically could a 737 or A320 operator just sit 70 - 80 passengers ahead of the Emergency window Exits, and go with 2 flight attendants with an FAA waiver.

I like your out of the box thinking.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:09 pm

Drucocu wrote:
My airline is researching blocking the last row of seats on our A319's to make it a 150-seater, so they'd be able to use them with reduced crew (3cc instead of 4). Might not see the day of light now that 90% of the fleet is down anyway.

It’s how many seats they were certified with. Blocking seats doesn’t remove the need for a flight attendant
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:44 pm

The seats must be physically removed. My first airline did this in the mid-80’s during a downturn to get their 737-200’s down to 99 seats and a two-person cabin crew. There was a big empty space at the back of coach...we called it the ‘dance floor’.. Joke was on us as they ceased business not long after.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:46 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
So basically could a 737 or A320 operator just sit 70 - 80 passengers ahead of the Emergency window Exits, and go with 2 flight attendants with an FAA waiver.


You're going to mess the Aircraft's Centre of gravity about big time if you're sitting everyone up front...
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:47 pm

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Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.

Which doesn't matter since the COVID-19 is not an airborne virus.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:57 pm

Airborne- the jury is still out on that one- issue appears to be a very narrow definition of airborne.

I thought US based carriers can get crew size exemptions if the load is very light- I know I flew on one flight where there were no crew in economy for the 8 of us down the back.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:05 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Drucocu wrote:
My airline is researching blocking the last row of seats on our A319's to make it a 150-seater, so they'd be able to use them with reduced crew (3cc instead of 4). Might not see the day of light now that 90% of the fleet is down anyway.

It’s how many seats they were certified with. Blocking seats doesn’t remove the need for a flight attendant


Guess that depends on regulations, otherwise they wouldn't be researching it. That's not my field of expertise :P
 
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Bhoy wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
So basically could a 737 or A320 operator just sit 70 - 80 passengers ahead of the Emergency window Exits, and go with 2 flight attendants with an FAA waiver.


You're going to mess the Aircraft's Centre of gravity about big time if you're sitting everyone up front...


Maybe I’m missing something, but on the 738/320, why would everyone need to be forward of the overwings? As I’ve been reminded hundreds of times during exit row briefings on every operator I can remember, there is no flight attendant at the overwings.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:07 pm

Airlines will operate less frequencies with the very same aircraft rather than doing such an inefficient and expensive reconfiguration.
 
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Removing seats increase costs. Less seats means less revenue.

What revenue?
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:18 pm

You can always just purchase 2 seats for yourself if you are so concerned, but Millenials love traveling for cheap so its not going to happen.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:23 pm

VSMUT wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.


It isn't.


Huh? Pressurized aircraft don’t have recirculating air??
 
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AirFiero wrote:
Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.


The air is purified before it returns. This gets rid of practically all pathogens.
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AirFiero wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Seat spacing wouldn’t matter much because air is a closed system, recirculating.


It isn't.


Huh? Pressurized aircraft don’t have recirculating air??


Aircraft are not air tight. They leak air all the time through gaps and seals, as well as intentionally through the systems. Pressurization is held by simply pumping an excess of air into the cabin all the time. In order to save energy, some of that air is recycled and mixed with fresh air from outside, but on average, all the air is completely replaced every few minutes.

Fun fact, I flew an airplane once with a misaligned cabin door. There was a 1 cm gap at the top of the door. I could stick my finger out into the airflow! But the cabin pressure still held with no issues.
 
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Most (if not all) of the contributors to this thread are basing their opinions with the "eye" of North American passengers and practice. In Europe we have higher standards. Turkish Airlines (for example) have a lot of 738NG's (I guess it's the same in those ill fated grounded 738 MAXs) with the 16C135Y cabins. the front cabin is made up of 2+2 recliner type and pretty wide & comfy business seats and the economy cabin consist of only 135 standard seats. So in total it makes 151 seats. And there are always 4 FA's. Some of these birds fly to 3.5-4.5 hr. destinations from the main hub (in Istanbul), which normally include a full meal service for the economy pax. And not to mention, 10 frames of 739NGs (the ER versions equipped with additional fuel tanks), flying even further and having the same cabin config. (Sorry folks, in this part of the World we don't enter the plane with McDonalds or pizzas purchased at the airport or even home-made stuff! :lol: But we also don't want to pay for any food & beverage on the flight unless we are flying a LCC)

So if TK wants to play smart, they can easily block or even remove two sets from the economy cabin to drop the seat count to 149 and can theoretically discard the 4th FA. And how the hell can they genuinely serve 149 pax (16 of them in the business cabin who will ask for almost immediate attention...so one FA dedicated to this section and the remaining two FA's taking care of the 135 economy pax)??? :shock:
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mafaky wrote:
Most (if not all) of the contributors to this thread are basing their opinions with the "eye" of North American passengers and practice. In Europe we have higher standards. Turkish Airlines (for example) have a lot of 738NG's (I guess it's the same in those ill fated grounded 738 MAXs) with the 16C135Y cabins. the front cabin is made up of 2+2 recliner type and pretty wide & comfy business seats and the economy cabin consist of only 135 standard seats. So in total it makes 151 seats. And there are always 4 FA's. Some of these birds fly to 3.5-4.5 hr. destinations from the main hub (in Istanbul), which normally include a full meal service for the economy pax. And not to mention, 10 frames of 739NGs (the ER versions equipped with additional fuel tanks), flying even further and having the same cabin config. (Sorry folks, in this part of the World we don't enter the plane with McDonalds or pizzas purchased at the airport or even home-made stuff! :lol: But we also don't want to pay for any food & beverage on the flight unless we are flying a LCC)

So if TK wants to play smart, they can easily block or even remove two sets from the economy cabin to drop the seat count to 149 and can theoretically discard the 4th FA. And how the hell can they genuinely serve 149 pax (16 of them in the business cabin who will ask for almost immediate attention...so one FA dedicated to this section and the remaining two FA's taking care of the 135 economy pax)??? :shock:


Try a BA, LH A320 or KL B738.......
 
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[quote="KlimaBXsst"]How soon will US airlines remove seats on their Boeing and Airbus Narrow-Body Equipment to 150 seats so they may be crewed by 3 flight attendants instead of 4 flight attendants when going over 150 seats?

In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.

All US airlines are in survival mode for the next year or so.
wait,, This is nothing new. The ratio for pax to flight attendants has always been 50:1 in the cabin. so did something change? Or?
did the Air Transport Assn. fail to increase the ratio like they've tried to do for years? They could leave the extra seats then when the booking gets over the 50:1 for 've never seen them in the cabinthe passengers? Add a reserve flight attendant who might be on Standby. Heck! I know CSR supervisors who were reserve cabin crew members and maintained their quals as flight attendants though I've never seen them in the cabin actually working..
 
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mafaky wrote:
Most (if not all) of the contributors to this thread are basing their opinions with the "eye" of North American passengers and practice. In Europe we have higher standards. Turkish Airlines (for example) have a lot of 738NG's (I guess it's the same in those ill fated grounded 738 MAXs) with the 16C135Y cabins. the front cabin is made up of 2+2 recliner type and pretty wide & comfy business seats and the economy cabin consist of only 135 standard seats. So in total it makes 151 seats. And there are always 4 FA's. Some of these birds fly to 3.5-4.5 hr. destinations from the main hub (in Istanbul), which normally include a full meal service for the economy pax. And not to mention, 10 frames of 739NGs (the ER versions equipped with additional fuel tanks), flying even further and having the same cabin config. (Sorry folks, in this part of the World we don't enter the plane with McDonalds or pizzas purchased at the airport or even home-made stuff! :lol: But we also don't want to pay for any food & beverage on the flight unless we are flying a LCC)

So if TK wants to play smart, they can easily block or even remove two sets from the economy cabin to drop the seat count to 149 and can theoretically discard the 4th FA. And how the hell can they genuinely serve 149 pax (16 of them in the business cabin who will ask for almost immediate attention...so one FA dedicated to this section and the remaining two FA's taking care of the 135 economy pax)??? :shock:

So? What makes you think that the USA has lower standards? the Seating config is set BY the airline and there is no leeway according to the regulations. the Ratio is 50:1 no matter what. Whether you have a 747 or 737? The Ratio is the same. What's your Point? your service in your neck of the woods is no better nor safer than in the USA..
 
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Airborne- the jury is still out on that one- issue appears to be a very narrow definition of airborne.

I thought US based carriers can get crew size exemptions if the load is very light- I know I flew on one flight where there were no crew in economy for the 8 of us down the back.


I think you're wrong on that. It's the number of seats installed, since you cannot predict who might fly that airplane in a pinch! Carrier A has a cancellation or lengthy delay? And they send their pax over to carrier B. Thus? you now have an under-crewed airplane over the FAA Limits. Only a fool would do that as the Fine?
is Most Assuredly MORE than the revenue gained. Better to remove the seats. Though? you have to remove the Passenger service units as well and possibly re-map the seat locations as the galley carts, seats, and all other safety equipment is part of the "aircraft operating empty weight". which HAS to be calculated before the Aircraft can be loaded fueled and dispatched as an operating flight. so just snatching out seats? Could throw the Weight and Balance off significantly causing a safety issue. And all for ONE Flight Attendant? Really? YGBKM!!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:41 am

eta unknown wrote:
Airborne- the jury is still out on that one- issue appears to be a very narrow definition of airborne.

I thought US based carriers can get crew size exemptions if the load is very light- I know I flew on one flight where there were no crew in economy for the 8 of us down the back.

If I'm not mistaken? There really Are no exemptions for a light load, If your main cbin has 150 seats? it's still 50:1 ratio, If you inop a section? Then what MEL gives you the right to? I think you're going on what you think will do rather than what's legal. Even on a large widebody? if a cabin door goes inop? It might be deferred for up to 3 days max! Then? It had better get fixed and you are then Back to where you were. you just can't go around bending rules to suit your situation. Or? your ops boss might be in JAIL pretty quick. Because No Maintenance boss is going to Jail for a condition he didn't create. And? there is no Maintenance manual for short of FA's or passengers.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:19 am

The number of flight attendants is related to not only the number of seats (rule of 50), but also the number of doors.

WashtubFields wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
In this new age of social distancing, can the airlines just install middle seat blockers or DO NOT USE placards of some sort and still be FAA compliant rather than removing entire seat rows.


A placard wouldn't suffice. AA blocked some middle seats on the 738 to bring the seat count down with fixed tray tables similar to what European airlines used for their Eurobusiness seats. That effectively makes the seat unusable.


https://onemileatatime.com/americans-new-best-coach-seat-on-the-737/


Ah, the days when jetBlue dropped to 150 seats on an A320 to get 3 flight attendents. And now as A319 does it.


A very limited number of A319s are in the 156 configuration. For most airlines, the configuration is not worth the extra crew member, but ULCCs that engage in tons of inflight sales and only sell Y tickets can see benefits. The way they did it, first for EasyJet, is by certifying a version with dual overwing exits (limited to 149 otherwise).
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