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Shrewfly
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HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:25 am

I've been talking to a retired aircraft engineer who worked on Trident aircraft back in the day. He seemed to recall that some airlines operated them at 7-abreast seating configuration.

I've done a quick search, and indeed there are seat plans with half of the plane at 4-3 and half at 3-3

Presumably evacuation rules were different in those days. But why only half the cabin? Must have been horrible in those seats!
 
Shrewfly
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:32 am

Can someone in admin move this to the Technical forum please! Posted in here by mistake!
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:38 am

Channel Airways Trident 1E-140 had a 3x4 configuration in the forward cabin and 3x3 in the rear.

I understand that with holiday charters the section of 4 seats was geared toward families.

If you do a google search on Channel Airways Trident cabin, you’ll see pictures of it. It looked pretty tight.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:28 am

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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:40 am

CrewBunk wrote:
If you do a google search on Channel Airways Trident cabin, you’ll see pictures of it. It looked pretty tight.


My search didn't reveal any pictures... Do you have a direct link?
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:45 am

Shrewfly wrote:
Can someone in admin move this to the Technical forum please! Posted in here by mistake!


For that, you have to hit the triangle on your original post to report it and specify the reason why. Thus only can a moderator know about it.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:25 am

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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:47 am

Well, that brought back memories.

Channel had two Trident 1E. G-AVYB and G-AVYE. I have five grainy B+W photos I took of YE at Stansted on 28th March 1971.

Er, 49 years ago...

A great regret that I never got to fly on a Trident.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:15 pm

The 1E-140 was originally ordered by Channel and used the same seats as their 1-11s, made by Flight Equipment, at 31-inch pitch. So still roomier in that regard than many modern locos. They had four exits on each side, instead of the standard 1E's four to port and three to starboard. As shown in the seating map above, the midships galley was omitted

The seat design was a forerunner of the modern type in that it only had lateral frames, and lacked the reinforcing horizontal lower-rear bar. So people could put their feet under the seat in front instead of just their bags. Britannia later adopted the same seats for their 737s and were able to squeeze in an additional two rows as a result.

Flight Equipment went on to design the 'swan-neck' contoured seat that most airlines now use in economy.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:32 pm

I recall seeing tables in a Trident (pretty sure it was a Trident) with seats facing each other
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:54 pm

Photo of BEA's 6-abreast.

https://flic.kr/p/2gaWqxT
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:13 pm

Algoz66 wrote:
I recall seeing tables in a Trident (pretty sure it was a Trident) with seats facing each other


Recall flying a MUC - LHR sector in about '83 on a BA Trident 3B facing the tail. Had to pay extra for C class (or whatever it was called then) so decided to drink the fare difference!
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:49 pm

The rearward facing seats were an 'accident', because there wasn't room for an extra row of forward facing seats. As if that would stop a modern operator today.

Apologies off topic, but would be interesting to test the economic impact of applying modern seating, toilet and galley configurations to some of these older models.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:38 pm

smartplane wrote:
The rearward facing seats were an 'accident', because there wasn't room for an extra row of forward facing seats. As if that would stop a modern operator today.

Apologies off topic, but would be interesting to test the economic impact of applying modern seating, toilet and galley configurations to some of these older models.


Im sure it would be interesting. I saw some pics on here of old F seats on a 747 classic. They took up quite a lot of room, id be curious to know what the comparison is in cost and floorspace to a modern seat across all classes.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:53 pm

I have a clear memory of flying from London to Dusseldorf probably in 1969 on BEA, and I'm certain my mother, sister and I sat facing other passengers.
 
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Re: HS Trident Cabin

Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:10 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
I have a clear memory of flying from London to Dusseldorf probably in 1969 on BEA, and I'm certain my mother, sister and I sat facing other passengers.

All three types at BEA had at least some rear facing seats. The One and Two more than the Three.

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