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757-200 range

Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:37 am

Recently in HKG, we've seen the Olympus 757 (SX-AMJ) flying from ATH via NVI. According to Flightradar, yesterday she flew non stop from ATH. I really did not know the 757 has that sort of range. Or do they fly it empty to cover that sort of distance?
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:50 am

blandy62 wrote:
Recently in HKG, we've seen the Olympus 757 (SX-AMJ) flying from ATH via NVI. According to Flightradar, yesterday she flew non stop from ATH. I really did not know the 757 has that sort of range. Or do they fly it empty to cover that sort of distance?
Definitely stretching the capabilities. I would guess the aircraft was empty.
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Re: 757-200 range

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:45 am

Not a problem eastbound, especially at light weights
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Re: 757-200 range

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:18 pm

I usually thought of longrange flight in terms of hours and minutes, along with fuel remaining. That would put the basic -200 somewhere near 9 hours + reserves. The longest flight I have seen was 12.4 with a tanked -200, (110,000 total fuel) from Istanbul to Boeing field, landing with about 5000 lbs as I recall.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:04 am

Who has a tanked 752 other than the USAF? Corporate jet?
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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:56 am

Delta and Northwest sometimes do one-way transpacific flights to SEA with the legacy-NW 757s. I think those are the frames with the Rolls Royce engines. I believe RR powered 757s have longer range than the PW 757s. That is why Trump only buys 757s if they have Rolls Royce engines.

I’ve always wondered if an RR-powered 757 could make it westbound across the Pacific from SEA.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:57 am

DL_Mech wrote:
Who has a tanked 752 other than the USAF? Corporate jet?

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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:17 pm

BravoOne wrote:
I usually thought of longrange flight in terms of hours and minutes, along with fuel remaining. That would put the basic -200 somewhere near 9 hours + reserves. The longest flight I have seen was 12.4 with a tanked -200, (110,000 total fuel) from Istanbul to Boeing field, landing with about 5000 lbs as I recall.



I believe there were a total of nine 757's with the PATS aux tanks installed. 4 USAF, 1 Mexico Presidential, 4 for various corporate operators. We had 2 and one more in KBUR. Not sure where the last one went. Argnetina?? SFAR 88 caused a lot of problems for these operators for several years and had it not been for the USAF these problem might still be unresolved.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:35 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Delta and Northwest sometimes do one-way transpacific flights to SEA with the legacy-NW 757s. I think those are the frames with the Rolls Royce engines. I believe RR powered 757s have longer range than the PW 757s. That is why Trump only buys 757s if they have Rolls Royce engines.

I’ve always wondered if an RR-powered 757 could make it westbound across the Pacific from SEA.


I can assure you Delta does not do this with RR powered airplanes. Neither does Northwest given that they did not have RR powered 757s when they used 757s in the pacific and they haven’t existed in about a decade.
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Re: 757-200 range

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:49 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Delta and Northwest sometimes do one-way transpacific flights to SEA with the legacy-NW 757s. I think those are the frames with the Rolls Royce engines. I believe RR powered 757s have longer range than the PW 757s. That is why Trump only buys 757s if they have Rolls Royce engines.

I’ve always wondered if an RR-powered 757 could make it westbound across the Pacific from SEA.




Actually I believe the PW 2000 series has a little better fuel specifics than the RR aircraft BUT....that is offset be some other maintenance/reliabilty issues. Both are good engines. A far as Trump buying a RR product, I suspect that is more of his ego than anything else.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:35 pm

BravoOne wrote:

Actually I believe the PW 2000 series has a little better fuel specifics than the RR aircraft BUT....that is offset be some other maintenance/reliabilty issues. Both are good engines. A far as Trump buying a RR product, I suspect that is more of his ego than anything else.

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Confirmed. He said as much several years ago, that he wanted the RR logo to especially stand out. Big surprise there.
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Re: 757-200 range

Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:14 pm

rjsampson wrote:
BravoOne wrote:

Actually I believe the PW 2000 series has a little better fuel specifics than the RR aircraft BUT....that is offset be some other maintenance/reliabilty issues. Both are good engines. A far as Trump buying a RR product, I suspect that is more of his ego than anything else.

:checkmark:

Confirmed. He said as much several years ago, that he wanted the RR logo to especially stand out. Big surprise there.



Nothing wrong with that. I'm pretty sure the RB211 out sold the PW2000 during the 757 production period. Having said that the only engine problem I have ever encountered while flying the 757 was a RB211 and it was in the airplane that Trump owns now:) So go figure.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:49 am

BravoOne wrote:
rjsampson wrote:
BravoOne wrote:

Actually I believe the PW 2000 series has a little better fuel specifics than the RR aircraft BUT....that is offset be some other maintenance/reliabilty issues. Both are good engines. A far as Trump buying a RR product, I suspect that is more of his ego than anything else.

:checkmark:

Confirmed. He said as much several years ago, that he wanted the RR logo to especially stand out. Big surprise there.



Nothing wrong with that. I'm pretty sure the RB211 out sold the PW2000 during the 757 production period. Having said that the only engine problem I have ever encountered while flying the 757 was a RB211 and it was in the airplane that Trump owns now:) So go figure.


Yes the PW2000 birds have about a 200 nm range advantage over the RB-211s. Range for both with standard fuel is 3900-4100 nm with a decent but not full payload. Range with full payload approx 55k lbs on both drops to about 2500-3500nm depending on the optional MTOW of the individual aircraft. The extra tanked government and private jet birds with low payloads can do up to 5200 nm.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:35 pm

Out of curiosity how do they compare regarding fuel performance decrease over time? Does one get more wing time than the other?
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:03 pm

AECM wrote:
Out of curiosity how do they compare regarding fuel performance decrease over time? Does one get more wing time than the other?


I don't know the definitive answer to that. Delta had fits back in the late 90's with the Pratts and one point they were doing bore scopes about every 100 hours. Obviously things have changed and that problem resolved. The corporate Airplanes are typically on a Boeing Low Utilization Maintenance Plan (LUMP), and times are calendar driven as opposed to hours and cycles.
 
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Re: 757-200 range

Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:49 pm

BravoOne wrote:
I usually thought of longrange flight in terms of hours and minutes, along with fuel remaining. That would put the basic -200 somewhere near 9 hours + reserves. The longest flight I have seen was 12.4 with a tanked -200, (110,000 total fuel) from Istanbul to Boeing field, landing with about 5000 lbs as I recall.


I flew a standard 757-200W 9:40 on a positioning flight, and I know a B757-200F (lighter OEW) has been flown just over 10 hrs.

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