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A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 9:12 am
by eroded
Is a flight deck printer an option?

The briefing PDF, and real-world flight deck photos, seems to show what looks like a blank panel in its place?

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- http://www.smartcockpit.com/docs/a350-9 ... pilots.pdf page 27

Thanks,

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 11:24 am
by gloom
From what I found during quick browse, the printer is hidden under the panel (the very one you circled):
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I don't know if it's a standard, or airline selected option. The one on pic is Delta bird.

Cheers,
Adam

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 11:42 am
by DarQuiet
The printer can be inoperative under MMEL but imagine the implication of not having it - like for example that there would be no auto print of Report 15 (suspected hard landing).

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 11:49 am
by Polot
I believe most modern aircraft (at least widebodies) have flight deck printers. I know the 777, 787, A330/A340, A350, A380, and at least some 767/747s do.

The base of the pedestal (as seen in your A350 photos) is generally the most common spots for them.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:06 pm
by Wacker1000
DarQuiet wrote:
The printer can be inoperative under MMEL but imagine the implication of not having it - like for example that there would be no auto print of Report 15 (suspected hard landing).


The presence of a report confirms it happened but the absence of a report does not mean it did not occur. You have all of the data from ACARS and if there is a suspected hard landing the crew is supposed to report it - either the FDR data is read or maintenance automatically does a stage 1 inspection.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 12:42 pm
by 787SIN
On the Load 15 report being on the printer. Worked in one place the auto print had been selected off in the ACMS software. Found that out after investigating some FDM hard landings that had gone unreported that would have been sufficient to trigger the report 15. So even if you don’t get a report 15 on the printer and felt it was hard report it. Also do not ever use the manual report function to find out whether a hard landing has occurred, manual report code starts 1xxx as that takes a snapshot of the current conditions. True generated hard landing report would be in stored reports and have a code of 4xxx.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:49 pm
by zeke
eroded wrote:
Is a flight deck printer an option?


Yes it is a customer option, don’t know of anyone that has not got it.

DarQuiet wrote:
The printer can be inoperative under MMEL but imagine the implication of not having it - like for example that there would be no auto print of Report 15 (suspected hard landing).


There is no load 15 report on the A350, if required landing data is downloaded onto a usb and emailed to Airbus.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:52 pm
by DarQuiet
zeke wrote:
eroded wrote:
Is a flight deck printer an option?

There is no load 15 report on the A350, if required landing data is downloaded onto a usb and emailed to Airbus.


Interesting. Thank you for the info!

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am
by TOGA10
Polot wrote:
I believe most modern aircraft (at least widebodies) have flight deck printers. I know the 777, 787, A330/A340, A350, A380, and at least some 767/747s do.

The base of the pedestal (as seen in your A350 photos) is generally the most common spots for them.

Our 320's have them too!

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 2:11 pm
by BravoOne
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 4:58 pm
by atlamt
The blank panel you are referring to is the printer. The top is a smooth blank plate except for the four buttons that control it. There is a seam on the top between the fixed portion where the buttons are and the movable section which opens to load paper. That seam is also where the printed paper exits the printer.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 12:11 am
by Starlionblue
BravoOne wrote:
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.


It is indeed wide, with much wider paper than on the A330.

I really dislike it because it is hard to fold the paper neatly to stay flat compared to the A330. :old:

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 1:31 am
by BravoOne
Starlionblue wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.


It is indeed wide, with much wider paper than on the A330.

I really dislike it because it is hard to fold the paper neatly to stay flat compared to the A330. :old:



We all have our issues. I think if you try really hard you can overcome this perceived design flaw:)

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 2:33 am
by Starlionblue
BravoOne wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.


It is indeed wide, with much wider paper than on the A330.

I really dislike it because it is hard to fold the paper neatly to stay flat compared to the A330. :old:



We all have our issues. I think if you try really hard you can overcome this perceived design flaw:)


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

It isn't even the printer per se. It just seems that every captain has a different "best practice" for how to fold the paper. Impossible to get right as an FO. ;) :lol: :?

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:46 am
by zeke
Starlionblue wrote:
It isn't even the printer per se. It just seems that every captain has a different "best practice" for how to fold the paper. Impossible to get right as an FO. ;) :lol: :?


Must be having a pretty good day out if the only debate is on how to fold the paper !

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:57 am
by TOGA10
Starlionblue wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.


It is indeed wide, with much wider paper than on the A330.

I really dislike it because it is hard to fold the paper neatly to stay flat compared to the A330. :old:

Does the A330 have the same size printer as the A320?

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 11:44 am
by Starlionblue
zeke wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
It isn't even the printer per se. It just seems that every captain has a different "best practice" for how to fold the paper. Impossible to get right as an FO. ;) :lol: :?


Must be having a pretty good day out if the only debate is on how to fold the paper !


Yep! :D


TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
All the Boeing products including the MD11 have printers loctaed in various places. The one shown in the Airbus looks to be a wide carriage printer.


It is indeed wide, with much wider paper than on the A330.

I really dislike it because it is hard to fold the paper neatly to stay flat compared to the A330. :old:

Does the A330 have the same size printer as the A320?


Pretty sure it is. The cockpits are very similar in most respects.

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:56 am
by Insertnamehere
Surprised with the amount tablets are being integrated into cockpits that printers are still common. How long until we start seeing printers on the flight deck being replaced with PDF files?

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:27 am
by gloom
Insertnamehere wrote:
Surprised with the amount tablets are being integrated into cockpits that printers are still common.


When things get critical (eg avionics/power failure), paper is worth more than printer.

Insertnamehere wrote:
How long until we start seeing printers on the flight deck being replaced with PDF files?


For a reason above? Probably until there's no one left in the cockpit.

Side note: PDF is not a best standard there, it's just common across the world of pc users. There are plenty of other open formats that you would prefer.

Cheers,
Adam

Re: A350 Flight Deck Printer?

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:50 am
by Starlionblue
Insertnamehere wrote:
Surprised with the amount tablets are being integrated into cockpits that printers are still common. How long until we start seeing printers on the flight deck being replaced with PDF files?


Not with PDF files, but this is already happening. We don't print takeoff performance calculations anymore, for example. Just read if off the app, enter into the FM, and then send the figures off for archiving.

It will take time to go completely paperless, if we ever do, but it isn't like we print a massive amount of stuff. Compared to the dozens of pages we used to get even before we got on the plane, all now replaced by iPad apps, the amount of paper printed in the cockpit is trivial.

It is still handy in many cases to get a printout since you can make annotations on the printout. For example, if you get weather for the enroute airports, you can annotate the preferred approach next to the weather. Mentally, this makes a better "connection".

Most of us still use paper for notes, e.g. when receiving a clearance by voice, because it is way faster and easier than typing on an iPad. We might have to enter it in the flight log on the iPad later, but at that point you can take your time.



gloom wrote:
Insertnamehere wrote:
Surprised with the amount tablets are being integrated into cockpits that printers are still common.


When things get critical (eg avionics/power failure), paper is worth more than printer.

Insertnamehere wrote:
How long until we start seeing printers on the flight deck being replaced with PDF files?


For a reason above? Probably until there's no one left in the cockpit.

Side note: PDF is not a best standard there, it's just common across the world of pc users. There are plenty of other open formats that you would prefer.

Cheers,
Adam


The printer is not really critical in an emergency. If we can't communicate via ACARS and the printer, we can call up on VHF, HF or SATCOM. In normal situations, however, it is very useful.

Checlkists and most QRH items are already moving to electronic format. The A350 QRH is only a fraction of the thickness of the A330 one because most of those procedures are contained in the "Not-sensed Procedures" menu in ECAM.


DarQuiet wrote:
The printer can be inoperative under MMEL but imagine the implication of not having it - like for example that there would be no auto print of Report 15 (suspected hard landing).


AFAIK that report will still be sent off electronically. So even if we don't get the printout the information will get out, so to speak.