FriscoHeavy wrote:ElroyJetson wrote:So I guess the consensus is the A359 can fly the mission with somewhere around 30T of payload. That would be full pax and bags and may be a bit of cargo. Fuel burn savings are roughly 20-25T better than the 77L although the 77L can probably carry several tons more payload.
Based on those numbers it makes sense to me in the current environment why DL would be comfortable retiring the small 77L fleet since they have an aircraft that fly all of their ULH missions.
Thanks for the posts. It kind of puts in perspective the goofy posts from several years ago claiming the A359 did not have the legs to do LAX-SYD for DL. That did not make sense then, it makes even less sense now.
It's more complicated than that. I'm sure DL will be able to make the A350 work on the LAX-SYD, JNB-ATL routes and so forth, but the prior posts were not goofy. There is a reason/are reasons why DL used the 77L on the routes up until this point. We do not know those reasons, but clearly the 77L was the better plane for the route while they were in the fleet. Now, this could be based on performance limitations of the A350, because maybe the 777s were paid off and cheaper to operate on said routes or some combination thereof that made the 77L the better suited choice for the routes.
Now, with it gone, this becomes a moot issue, but there were clearly reasons why DL didn't start using the A350 on these routes prior to this. This isn't to take anything away from the A350 because it's a fantastic aircraft, but every plane has pros and cons, limitations, etc.
Yes, I agree. I was specifically referencing the claim made that because DL A359 were not the 280T MTOW variant it did not have the legs to fly LAX-SYD. That is clearly not the case.
I am sure DL had many good reasons why they preferred the 77L on certain routes, greater payload capability in ULH being at least one possible factor. I feel like based on your input as well as others the A359 can fly the JNB-ATL mission which addresses the question in the OP and at least one reason why DL is able to retire their 777 fleet.