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7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Thu May 21, 2020 6:43 am

I had no idea a 737-800 had this kind of range. Ferry flight back to Southwest's home base at Love Field? I'm guessing they were completely empty to make this distance.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /PHNL/KDAL
 
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Thu May 21, 2020 7:08 am

3400 nautical miles should be well within capabilities without payload.

Check out page 100 of the ACAP. https://www.boeing.com/resources/boeing ... ps/737.pdf
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Thu May 21, 2020 12:50 pm

It was definitely an empty maintenance repo flight. SWA has flown it before as their final leg of the FAA test flights.
 
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Fri May 22, 2020 2:42 pm

Remember that’s it’s not the distance so much as the trip time that determines range. They would’ve had a strong tailwind to make that in 7 hours.

Copa routinely operates 738’s on 7+ hour sectors.

While this was a maintenance flight, and this a mute point, but they probably could have taken 140pax or so on that segment had they wanted too.

Wouldn’t be able to operate the return DAL-HNL though as that would be a headwind component that would severely limit payload. Plus, on the westbound, your ETOPS leg is the last requiring more fuel on board. (Eastbound you’re over land the last few hours)
 
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Sat May 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Remember that’s it’s not the distance so much as the trip time that determines range. They would’ve had a strong tailwind to make that in 7 hours.

Copa routinely operates 738’s on 7+ hour sectors.

While this was a maintenance flight, and this a mute point, but they probably could have taken 140pax or so on that segment had they wanted too.

Wouldn’t be able to operate the return DAL-HNL though as that would be a headwind component that would severely limit payload. Plus, on the westbound, your ETOPS leg is the last requiring more fuel on board. (Eastbound you’re over land the last few hours)


Interesting they could have taken up to 140 passengers on the EB segment. Could a 737-700 routinely fly this full a full load?
 
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Sun May 24, 2020 4:13 am

seat1a wrote:
Interesting they could have taken up to 140 passengers on the EB segment. Could a 737-700 routinely fly this full a full load?


A few years ago, SAS offered an all business class 737-700 between Houston and Stavanger. I believe the westbound flight was 10 hours.
 
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Re: 7 hour Southwest Flight from HNL-DAL

Sun May 24, 2020 5:19 pm

seat1a wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Remember that’s it’s not the distance so much as the trip time that determines range. They would’ve had a strong tailwind to make that in 7 hours.

Copa routinely operates 738’s on 7+ hour sectors.

While this was a maintenance flight, and this a mute point, but they probably could have taken 140pax or so on that segment had they wanted too.

Wouldn’t be able to operate the return DAL-HNL though as that would be a headwind component that would severely limit payload. Plus, on the westbound, your ETOPS leg is the last requiring more fuel on board. (Eastbound you’re over land the last few hours)


Interesting they could have taken up to 140 passengers on the EB segment. Could a 737-700 routinely fly this full a full load?


I don’t think WN has any ETOPS 700s so that would limit to 800’s or Max 8. Both can do eastbound, obviously with the Max being in the better payload position.

Neither can do westbound. And without the westbound, the route will never exist.

The A321XLR should be able to do DFW-HNL round trip with 180pax ... but that’s not an airplane WN will never have (my opinion ... doesn’t make sense for their network).

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