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Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:24 am

Hi All,

I found what looks like part of a nose gear door from a modern aircraft, washed up on a beach in Australia.

It is carbon fibre / honeycomb composite construction.

The ID plate references charging a strut with oil and nitrogen, which, combined with the shape makes me think of a nose gear door.

I will attach some pictures, be interesting to see if it can be ID'd.

I have also contacted the Air transport safety board in Australia.

Regards,

Richard
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:09 am

Got a photo of it?
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:09 am

Or failing that, anything that looks like a part number or identifier from the strut label or elsewhere would help some of the wizards on here to give you model and series, and a tail number wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:20 am

Which part of Australia? and an unrelated question- what material is the 777-200er gear door made of? :eyepopping:
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:29 am

East Coast of Cape York peninsula.

I've attached some pics but posts are taking ages to come up. I"ll transcribe the strut charging instructions.

If someone wants to pm me an email address I'll email them the pics and maybe they can post them.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:09 pm

Here are the top few lines of the servicing instruction plate, half of it is ripped off - can't really make out more than a few words of the rest. These are complete:

SERVICING INSTRUCTION
NITROGEN SERVICING ONLY
WITH APL WEIGHT ON GEAR DETERMINE
STRUT PRESSURE WITH GAUGE
DETERMINE CORRESPONDING “X”
DIMENSION FOR THIS PRESSURE FROM
SERVICING CHART
ADD OR RELEASE … NITROGEN
WITHIN THE SERVICING ….
OIL AND NITROGEN SERVICING
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:10 pm

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:12 pm

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:15 pm

unable to see any marking. where it found geographically?
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:19 pm

Interesting, what is the approximate length of the part?
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:25 pm

There's no markings on it except for the partial plate describing how to service the strut.

It was found on the East Coast of Cape York, Far Northern Queensland.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 pm

It's about 50cm wide and 100cm long - will measure it properly tomorrow.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:34 pm

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:03 pm

xwb565 wrote:
Which part of Australia? and an unrelated question- what material is the 777-200er gear door made of? :eyepopping:


It's not a 777, thats for sure. 777 nose gear doors don't have rounded corners. Plus, the part is white and the MH370 plane was painted grey on the belly.

I'm thinking the Air Niugini 737-800 that ditched in Micronesia? The 737 nose gear door has that rounded corner, and the colour fits.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:52 pm

i bet on MAX
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:05 pm

Looks like a 767 forward door.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:15 pm

extender wrote:
Looks like a 767 forward door.


It looks like the "no turn past" stripe was painted on there at one time, so it wouldn't be a forward door.

My guess is that it's the aft section of a 737 nose gear door.

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:30 pm

VSMUT wrote:
xwb565 wrote:
Which part of Australia? and an unrelated question- what material is the 777-200er gear door made of? :eyepopping:


It's not a 777, thats for sure. 777 nose gear doors don't have rounded corners. Plus, the part is white and the MH370 plane was painted grey on the belly.

I'm thinking the Air Niugini 737-800 that ditched in Micronesia? The 737 nose gear door has that rounded corner, and the colour fits.


It's a good shout, but did that one hit the water hard enough for parts to come off? Every photo I've seen of that plane it looks remarkably intact (though I haven't seen the nose gear post-removal from the water).

I also wonder about the Lion Air crashes into the water (one NG, one MAX), although the location and currents seem to make it less likely. I think the color is close for those too.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:33 pm

Hinge fitting configuration is wrong for the 737 NG. 737 NLG Door hinge fittings are held on with three bolts each. Hinge fitting configuration consistent with 141T6913-4, for the 767.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:39 pm

extender wrote:
Hinge fitting configuration is wrong for the 737 NG. 737 NLG Door hinge fittings are held on with three bolts each. Hinge fitting configuration consistent with 141T6913-4, for the 767.


I really enjoy threads like this, especially for posts like this one.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:25 pm

IADCA wrote:
It's a good shout, but did that one hit the water hard enough for parts to come off? Every photo I've seen of that plane it looks remarkably intact (though I haven't seen the nose gear post-removal from the water).


Absolutely. The aircraft was too low on approach, not too slow. For a 737-800, that's must still be something like 140 knots. Landing gear doors are flimsy, I've had an engineer break one of the main gear doors on my ATR just by sitting on it.


extender wrote:
Hinge fitting configuration is wrong for the 737 NG. 737 NLG Door hinge fittings are held on with three bolts each. Hinge fitting configuration consistent with 141T6913-4, for the 767.


True, the hinge mountings are indeed wrong for 737s.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:29 pm

There appears to be a raised portion on the inside of that panel. It does not appear to be a 737 Max.

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:01 pm

Looks like a 757 aft R/H nose landing gear door

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aft L/H shown
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:47 pm

Horstroad wrote:
Looks like a 757 aft R/H nose landing gear door

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aft L/H shown


You might be right. Eight screw holes between the stripe and the edge of the door.

See Here: http://i.imgur.com/IUgvALR.jpeg

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Could be a "5" painted on that door.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroper%C3%BA_Flight_603
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:19 pm

Thanks all, very interesting - you guys really know your stuff!

I agree it looks the most like a 757 door that Horstroad posted.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:42 pm

DL_Mech wrote:
Horstroad wrote:
Looks like a 757 aft R/H nose landing gear door

Image
aft L/H shown


You might be right. Eight screw holes between the stripe and the edge of the door.

See Here: http://i.imgur.com/IUgvALR.jpeg

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Could be a "5" painted on that door.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroper%C3%BA_Flight_603

Flight 603 crashed over 23 years ago though, any floating debri should’ve all washed up by now. The plane didn’t really break up and managed to drown the passengers and crew so there couldn’t be that much debri left.
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:05 am

DL_Mech wrote:
You might be right. Eight screw holes between the stripe and the edge of the door.

See Here: http://i.imgur.com/IUgvALR.jpeg

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Could be a "5" painted on that door.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroper%C3%BA_Flight_603


I tried to overlay the debris over that photo. Might be a match

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:54 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
Horstroad wrote:
Looks like a 757 aft R/H nose landing gear door

Image
aft L/H shown


You might be right. Eight screw holes between the stripe and the edge of the door.

See Here: http://i.imgur.com/IUgvALR.jpeg

Image

Could be a "5" painted on that door.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroper%C3%BA_Flight_603

Flight 603 crashed over 23 years ago though, any floating debri should’ve all washed up by now. The plane didn’t really break up and managed to drown the passengers and crew so there couldn’t be that much debri left.


It could have spent years stuck in the roots of a mangrove or similar seaside plant or lying on the beach of an uninhabited island or atoll in the area only to have recently been dislodged by wind or water erosion and able to drift to Australia.
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:10 am

I think you are on the money Horstroad, that is pretty incredible.

The black markings do indeed look like a 5.

The color is actually gray - you can see the white gel coat behind that in places.

I found it in a very remote spot - it was 20 km from the nearest road access, and I'd say less than 20 people would visit that beach each year.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:09 am

It might be a 20 year old crash, but another option could simply be it being lost from a scrap boat. Some of our old A/C left in chunks dumped into an open top container.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:45 am

Richard2 wrote:
I think you are on the money Horstroad, that is pretty incredible.

The black markings do indeed look like a 5.

The color is actually gray - you can see the white gel coat behind that in places.

I found it in a very remote spot - it was 20 km from the nearest road access, and I'd say less than 20 people would visit that beach each year.


did you call the NTSB? Would be essentially my first idea when finding aircraft parts.... well, i would call the BFU, but same idea.

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:28 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Richard2 wrote:
I think you are on the money Horstroad, that is pretty incredible.

The black markings do indeed look like a 5.

The color is actually gray - you can see the white gel coat behind that in places.

I found it in a very remote spot - it was 20 km from the nearest road access, and I'd say less than 20 people would visit that beach each year.


did you call the NTSB? Would be essentially my first idea when finding aircraft parts.... well, i would call the BFU, but same idea.

best regards
Thomas


Well, in this case it‘s the ATSB. And he wrote that he contacted them.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:52 am

Lukas757 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Richard2 wrote:
I think you are on the money Horstroad, that is pretty incredible.

The black markings do indeed look like a 5.

The color is actually gray - you can see the white gel coat behind that in places.

I found it in a very remote spot - it was 20 km from the nearest road access, and I'd say less than 20 people would visit that beach each year.


did you call the NTSB? Would be essentially my first idea when finding aircraft parts.... well, i would call the BFU, but same idea.

best regards
Thomas


Well, in this case it‘s the ATSB. And he wrote that he contacted them.


stupid me.... and good.

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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:54 pm

unimproved wrote:
It might be a 20 year old crash, but another option could simply be it being lost from a scrap boat. Some of our old A/C left in chunks dumped into an open top container.


It doesn't even have to be that complicated - it isn't unheard of for a door to partially or completely separate in flight.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:19 pm

I did contact the Australian ATSB - they are looking into it as well.

My money is still on Horstroad's analysis.

I had another close look last night and you can see a tiny trace of red paint on the stripe area - just like Flight 603.

And the part of the black letter that is visible is almost certainly a '5'.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:23 am

Richard2 wrote:
I did contact the Australian ATSB - they are looking into it as well.

My money is still on Horstroad's analysis.

I had another close look last night and you can see a tiny trace of red paint on the stripe area - just like Flight 603.

And the part of the black letter that is visible is almost certainly a '5'.


My hesitation about it is that there doesn't seem to be much marine growth for a part that would have needed to be in the water for quite a long while.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:51 am

Richard2 wrote:
I did contact the Australian ATSB - they are looking into it as well.

My money is still on Horstroad's analysis.

I had another close look last night and you can see a tiny trace of red paint on the stripe area - just like Flight 603.

And the part of the black letter that is visible is almost certainly a '5'.

That red paint is on all doors as a tow angle limit so it says nothing.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:37 am

IADCA wrote:
Richard2 wrote:
I did contact the Australian ATSB - they are looking into it as well.

My money is still on Horstroad's analysis.

I had another close look last night and you can see a tiny trace of red paint on the stripe area - just like Flight 603.

And the part of the black letter that is visible is almost certainly a '5'.


My hesitation about it is that there doesn't seem to be much marine growth for a part that would have needed to be in the water for quite a long while.



True.
Question to the OP: Did you find it in the water, or was it on the beach?
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:05 am

I think Occam’s razor applies, the simplest solution is probably the correct one.

Just my opinion but the simplest to me being that the part in likelihood is not even a plane part but just a piece of a boat or ship debris.

There is a remote chance it could be a 757 part from Aeroperu, but I’ll say it’s unlikely because that was on the other side of the Pacific very close to the Peruvian coast and happened nearly 25 years ago.

We’ll soon know either way it’s if it’s an aviation part it will have a serial number that will allow its function and airframe to be tracked.
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:06 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
I think Occam’s razor applies, the simplest solution is probably the correct one.

Just my opinion but the simplest to me being that the part in likelihood is not even a plane part but just a piece of a boat or ship debris.

There is a remote chance it could be a 757 part from Aeroperu, but I’ll say it’s unlikely because that was on the other side of the Pacific very close to the Peruvian coast and happened nearly 25 years ago.

We’ll soon know either way it’s if it’s an aviation part it will have a serial number that will allow its function and airframe to be tracked.


Theres no doubt that this is a nose landing gear door. Very likely a B757. Maybe from that Aeroperú aircraft.
Half of that part is missing. Maybe the nameplate is missing, too. The serial number might be lost.

Compare that placard to what Richard could read on the washed up part:

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Richard2 wrote:
Here are the top few lines of the servicing instruction plate, half of it is ripped off - can't really make out more than a few words of the rest. These are complete:

SERVICING INSTRUCTION
NITROGEN SERVICING ONLY
WITH APL WEIGHT ON GEAR DETERMINE
STRUT PRESSURE WITH GAUGE
DETERMINE CORRESPONDING “X”
DIMENSION FOR THIS PRESSURE FROM
SERVICING CHART
ADD OR RELEASE … NITROGEN
WITHIN THE SERVICING ….
OIL AND NITROGEN SERVICING
 
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:18 pm

Horstroad wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
I think Occam’s razor applies, the simplest solution is probably the correct one.

Just my opinion but the simplest to me being that the part in likelihood is not even a plane part but just a piece of a boat or ship debris.

There is a remote chance it could be a 757 part from Aeroperu, but I’ll say it’s unlikely because that was on the other side of the Pacific very close to the Peruvian coast and happened nearly 25 years ago.

We’ll soon know either way it’s if it’s an aviation part it will have a serial number that will allow its function and airframe to be tracked.


Theres no doubt that this is a nose landing gear door. Very likely a B757. Maybe from that Aeroperú aircraft.
Half of that part is missing. Maybe the nameplate is missing, too. The serial number might be lost.

Compare that placard to what Richard could read on the washed up part:

Image


Richard2 wrote:
Here are the top few lines of the servicing instruction plate, half of it is ripped off - can't really make out more than a few words of the rest. These are complete:

SERVICING INSTRUCTION
NITROGEN SERVICING ONLY
WITH APL WEIGHT ON GEAR DETERMINE
STRUT PRESSURE WITH GAUGE
DETERMINE CORRESPONDING “X”
DIMENSION FOR THIS PRESSURE FROM
SERVICING CHART
ADD OR RELEASE … NITROGEN
WITHIN THE SERVICING ….
OIL AND NITROGEN SERVICING

I think there has to be a much more rational explanation than Aeroperu wreckage however, as far I know the only other 757 in the ocean is the Birgenair plane.
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:30 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
I think there has to be a much more rational explanation than Aeroperu wreckage however, as far I know the only other 757 in the ocean is the Birgenair plane.

As I said, it might be from that Aeroperú aircraft. It might as well be just a scrapped part that made it to the ocean somehow, as suggested earlier. But it is (most probably) a B757 R/H aft nose landing gear door.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:24 am

Horstroad wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
I think there has to be a much more rational explanation than Aeroperu wreckage however, as far I know the only other 757 in the ocean is the Birgenair plane.

As I said, it might be from that Aeroperú aircraft. It might as well be just a scrapped part that made it to the ocean somehow, as suggested earlier. But it is (most probably) a B757 R/H aft nose landing gear door.


But then again, how many 757s have been scrapped in the Southern hemisphere? There were barely any 757's in Australia and Asia. Ocean currents rarely cross equator, so the likelihood of a scrapped 757 part from the US going to China falling overboard and ending up in Australia is really tiny.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:37 pm

If it has been covered by sand or mangrove or anything for the last two decades, I think it clearly could be wreckage from Aeroperú Flight 603.

I've seen wreckage from the 1950s laying out in the open in better condition than this piece.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:25 pm

A crash or scrapping is not the only scenario in which a gear door can become separated from its airframe. Ramprash, FOD, etc. would necessitate the replacement of this part without evidence in crash reports or scrapper's records.
 
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Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:35 am

Thanks for finding that servicing chart Horstroad, certainly it seems even more likely to be a 757 part based on that match.

I actually found it about 100m behind the beach, in a sheltered spot which is an obvious camp spot. I think someone else may well have found it before me and left it there.

But it can't have been there any earlier than 2017, as I camped in the same spot then and would have seen it.

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