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Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:49 am

Has Airbus thought of adding the A220 to their ACJ line?

The A220 has impressive range to begin with, so, extending its reach with underfloor tanks gives it a jump on the A320. Which might be the problem: it may then begin to compete with the A320 ACJ line!

On the other hand, the A320 has a wider cabin, a critical selling point in long range private flight.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:55 am

BBD looked at it already, conceivable but no orders yet. BBD didn’t want to detract from the airliner sales argument, especially being a bizjet builder. It’d look like they were giving up on the commercial side. Airbus hasn’t exactly set fire to the bizjet market with the ACJ, either. Buyers of bizjets either want speed, altitude and range or they want a big yacht in the sky. The first group buy Global and G650; the second group buy BBJ or used B757, perhaps a ACJ. Airliners as bizjets, unless flown by a government, are a PITA to operate—too big, too expensive (every airport will double your charges), too burdened by regulations, esp security nowadays.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:17 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BBD looked at it already, conceivable but no orders yet. BBD didn’t want to detract from the airliner sales argument, especially being a bizjet builder. It’d look like they were giving up on the commercial side. Airbus hasn’t exactly set fire to the bizjet market with the ACJ, either. Buyers of bizjets either want speed, altitude and range or they want a big yacht in the sky. The first group buy Global and G650; the second group buy BBJ or used B757, perhaps a ACJ. Airliners as bizjets, unless flown by a government, are a PITA to operate—too big, too expensive (every airport will double your charges), too burdened by regulations, esp security nowadays.


GalaxyFlyer: Wow! Thanks for the insight. The variables are considerable, and in the end, it is clear Bombardier did well to be cautious. Except the market changes in some fundamental way, an A220 ACJ might end up with poor sales, like the Emb Lineage.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:03 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Airliners as bizjets, unless flown by a government, are a PITA to operate—too big, too expensive (every airport will double your charges), too burdened by regulations, esp security nowadays.


That makes sense about the ground fees (although if you can afford a business jet, what's a few thousand here and there?), but aren't used airliners relatively inexpensive as bizjets? Something like $10 million for an old 757 or 737, plus refurb costs, compared to $70+ million for the high-end Gulfstream or Globals?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:56 am

Yes, on pure dollars and cents, a used, not new, airliner even allowing for increased handling fees and fuel burns, can be reasonably close in cost. But, buyers are not stupid, the $10 million airliner will cost that much to do the interior, and will have horrible resale value the costs of operation are not recoverable. The purpose-built bizjet will be cheaper every day, will retain its value over five to ten years and sends a much “quieter” image. No accident, Trump has a 757 while Steve Swartzman, infinitely wealthier flies a Gulfstream. Plus, you can operate a Global or Gulfstream just about anywhere, fly faster and higher. Flying above F410 is a big selling point buyers love, resistance to Hawkers and Challenger 600-series plus the CRJ bizjets was about speed and cruising in the thirties.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:00 am

BeninEagle wrote:
Has Airbus thought of adding the A220 to their ACJ line?

Well, others certainly have...but maybe it will have to wait for the MTOW increase and the XLR version to come true.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ0T9-ssbsE

https://www.businessjetinteriorsinterna ... ept-2.html


GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Airliners as bizjets, unless flown by a government, are a PITA to operate

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Yes, on pure dollars and cents, a used, not new, airliner even allowing for increased handling fees and fuel burns, can be reasonably close in cost. But, buyers are not stupid, the $10 million airliner will cost that much to do the interior

Which should make the BA A318 a reasonable proposition for governments not looking for very long range and not intending to reconfigure the cabin much. It's not going to do a lot of flying and could refuel somewhere along the way on the rare times it needs to do long haul. Also, it will probably be kept until it has given up the ghost, so capex and heavy checks would likely drive the decision instead of operations, mx and residual value costs, no?
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:19 am

[url][/url]https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/airbus-a220-100-to-evolve-as-twotwenty-corporate-jet/140475.article#.X3wnmzzLOQI.twitter

It's official, folks. Airbus bites the bullet.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:27 am

BeninEagle wrote:
[url][/url]https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/airbus-a220-100-to-evolve-as-twotwenty-corporate-jet/140475.article#.X3wnmzzLOQI.twitter

It's official, folks. Airbus bites the bullet.


https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/airbus-a220-100-to-evolve-as-twotwenty-corporate-jet/140475.article#.X3wnmzzLOQI.twitter
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Re: Airbus A220 Corporate Jet?

Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:32 am

citationjet wrote:
BeninEagle wrote:
[url][/url]https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/airbus-a220-100-to-evolve-as-twotwenty-corporate-jet/140475.article#.X3wnmzzLOQI.twitter

It's official, folks. Airbus bites the bullet.


https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/airbus-a220-100-to-evolve-as-twotwenty-corporate-jet/140475.article#.X3wnmzzLOQI.twitter


Thank you, citationjet. The link I posted wasn't opening. But I'll get to grips with the net soon ;)
 
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