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Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 pm

Is it usually the pilots of the airline, or does the storage area operator sends crew to pick up the aircraft?
 
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:54 pm

Those aircraft movements are almost always handled by the respective airlines crews, most union contracts stipulate all flight operations be performed by pilots on their seniority lists


I doubt that aircraft storage operators employ pilots type rated and current on large transport types but even if they did few airlines would permit them to operate their aircraft
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:34 pm

At the company at which I work, it is always the pilots of the airline who fly the aircraft to the storage facility.

Keep in mind, if the aircraft is going into storage, it is still owned or leased by the airline, and therefore, pilots of another company would not be authorized to fly that aircraft.

Same thing, of course, applies when an aircraft is returned from storage--a crew from the airline travels to the storage facility to return it to service.

Even if the airplane is designated to be sold or scrapped, in most cases the original airline retains responsibility of the aircraft until it reaches the storage facility or to the appropriate "transfer of ownership" location. Naturally, this could change depending upon the terms of the deal.

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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:22 pm

This may be a 'Captain Obvious' question, but do the flight crew members simply get a ride to the nearest airport that has commercial service and just hitch a ride to their base or whatever hub/focus city, etc were they can get back on a normal flight schedule?
 
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:48 pm

N92r03, yes, it is done like that.

At the company where I work, in the United States, the ferry trips are built as normal trips by scheduling and awarded to regular line crews--many times it is a reserve crew, but a crewmember with a monthly line can also pick it up as additional flying if scheduling puts it on the "open board." The ferry trips can also be given to staff pilots--pilots who work at the training center or management pilots at the headquarters--who don't get a lot of flying on a regular basis--it depends on the contract at each airline.

Anyway, for an aircraft going to storage, for example, the trip would simply be one leg from wherever the aircraft is located--generally it will be an airport that is also a crew base--to the storage facility. Our company gives the flight a 99XX call sign. Once at the storage facility, the company simply arranges for a van or shuttle to pick the crew up and take them to the nearest airport where their airline has flights. Airlines contract with many different transportation companies depending on location--Five Star Transportation, Global Skyhop, Huntleigh, Golden Touch (up in the New York area), just to name a few.

For example, a crew that takes an aircraft from say, DFW or Chicago to Mojave (KMHV) would probably shuttle to LAX; from San Bernardino (KSBD), you might go to Ontario (KONT) but LAX would also be a possibility, and if you took a plane to Pinal Airpark-Marana (KMZJ) you would most likely be driven to Tucson or Phoenix.

From there, crew scheduling arranges a deadhead (positive space) back to their crew base.

Same process in reverse to return an aircraft to service. It's all pretty simple.

When you say, "just hitch a ride to their base or whatever hub/focus city," well, if you have a trip that begins or ends someplace that is not your assigned crew base (domicile), scheduling has to provide you with a positive space seat to get you to or from your trip assignment, you would not need to jumpseat nor travel as a Non-Rev.

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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:24 am

In addition to the above, there can be circumstances where control of an aircraft going into storage has reverted to the lessor. Clearly banks and the like do not keep around groups of current and rated crews on retainer, so there are companies such as Southern Cross for example who will provide contracted crews and handle flight planning, permits, ground services and such for each ferry.
 
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:20 am

ACMIdriver wrote:
In addition to the above, there can be circumstances where control of an aircraft going into storage has reverted to the lessor. Clearly banks and the like do not keep around groups of current and rated crews on retainer, so there are companies such as Southern Cross for example who will provide contracted crews and handle flight planning, permits, ground services and such for each ferry.


Indeed. It depends on where the transfer back to the lessor happens. If it happens at our home port, the titles are painted over, and the aircraft is flown out by the lessor because it's theirs now.
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:22 am

A few weeks ago at SBD Delta parked around ten A220s in one day. They also had a CRJ-200 flying in from Salt Lake City to fly all the crews back. That obviously wouldn't make a whole lot of sense if they were only storing one airplane at a time.
 
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Re: Who flies aircraft to storage areas?

Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:33 am

Newark727 wrote:
A few weeks ago at SBD Delta parked around ten A220s in one day. They also had a CRJ-200 flying in from Salt Lake City to fly all the crews back. That obviously wouldn't make a whole lot of sense if they were only storing one airplane at a time.
IIRC American did the same thing when they retired 20-odd MD80's to ROW on the same day - there was an extra ERJ flight that day to pick everybody up.
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