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Mad Dogs with HUDs

Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:01 pm

I noticed in the picture below that Caspian Airlines has at least one MD-80 with a HUD installed (unclear if it's operational). This airframe is ex-Alitalia. I am curious how widespread HUD use is/was on the Mad Dogs. I know at Delta, HUDs were never used on the MD88 and MD90.

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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:35 am

I heard PSA had them on their MD-80s. Some frames weren't taken up and went to CAAC in PSA config according to the caption on this image:

These two airplane were suppose to be delivered to PSA, but never taken by that carrier. Douglas was therefore able to sell them to China at a very attractive price. These two planes had all the PSA cockpit equipment including HUD plus the addition of dual Omega nav system and HF radio for long range operations



Edit, more info:

Another interesting tidbit about PSA's MD-80s is that they were all equipped with HUDs. They were classified for Cat IIIB landings, although USAir removed the hardware. The -80s were all classified for Cat IIIA Autopilot landings, though.


http://www.psa-history.org/about_psa/ai ... -super-80/
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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:28 pm

My flight instructor just happens to be an ex-USAir MD-80 driver (former PSA as well). He confirms the above that PSA did have HUDs on their MD-80s: "PSA 80s did have a crude HUD. Basically a meatball in crosshairs. Didn't work at SEA." Pretty cool for a late 70s design. Surely in the ex-Alitalia example above the system is non-operation due to sanctions (but remains installed so as to not affect w&b). Any pics out there of mad dog cockpits with the HUD other than the ones in the DB?

There seems to be two different HUD options:
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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:07 am

The Super 80 configuration guide that I scanned has more info about the HUD:

https://archive.org/details/dc9super80c ... 8/mode/1up
 
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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:34 am

ArcticSEA wrote:
My flight instructor just happens to be an ex-USAir MD-80 driver (former PSA as well). He confirms the above that PSA did have HUDs on their MD-80s: "PSA 80s did have a crude HUD. Basically a meatball in crosshairs. Didn't work at SEA." Pretty cool for a late 70s design. Surely in the ex-Alitalia example above the system is non-operation due to sanctions (but remains installed so as to not affect w&b). Any pics out there of mad dog cockpits with the HUD other than the ones in the DB?


Hmmm... so like a rudimentary flight director with none to minimal speed/alt info? Curious as to why it didn't work at SEA as well...
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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:32 am

ArcticSEA wrote:
I am curious how widespread HUD use is/was on the Mad Dogs. I know at Delta, HUDs were never used on the MD88 and MD90.



Swissair used the HUD.

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Re: Mad Dogs with HUDs

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:11 am

mrpippy wrote:
The Super 80 configuration guide that I scanned has more info about the HUD:

https://archive.org/details/dc9super80c ... 8/mode/1up

Thanks for that. It seems that there was an option for Capt + F/O HUDs! I wonder if any operator ever selected that option from McD?
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