Perhaps someone with knowledge of LAX can educate me: why don’t T5 and T6 have 15 jetways apiece? Looking at the width of the current gate markings, you could easily accommodate 15 jetways at each terminal if all you did was eliminate one of the widebody gates from T5 and T6 respectively(leaving each terminal with one such gate). At T5, operationally, HA only really needs one A330 capable gate (gate 59) and at T6, AC only needs one widebody gate (at most they’ll only ever do 4x daily YYZ on their B789/B77W). So with B6 blowing up at T5, I’m surprised the gates haven’t been added. Thoughts?

Sdmccray1984 wrote:

Perhaps someone with knowledge of LAX can educate me: why don’t T5 and T6 have 15 jetways apiece? Looking at the width of the current gate markings, you could easily accommodate 15 jetways at each terminal if all you did was eliminate one of the widebody gates from T5 and T6 respectively(leaving each terminal with one such gate). At T5, operationally, HA only really needs one A330 capable gate (gate 59) and at T6, AC only needs one widebody gate (at most they’ll only ever do 4x daily YYZ on their B789/B77W). So with B6 blowing up at T5, I’m surprised the gates haven’t been added. Thoughts?

That's a good question - I presume you're using T4 as a reference for T5 & T6? If so, understand many airports evaluate and forecast gate usage based on frequency and aircraft size (length and wingspan are important here), and from there, capital projects are formed to modify gate spaces. It's a recurring project for airports, and they're frequently mentioned in master plans.

Your T4 example, for instance if referencing, had three major overhauls: the first occured in the 1970's as widebodys took to the skies, and LAX built extensions to the south of the then-satellites to accomodate widebody flights with jetways. The extension built for T4 looked like the head of a wrench and DC-10's and 747s would park its nose inside the "wrench". You can see how it looked like through HistoricAerials.com. The second occured in the early 80's as LAX built a separate departure level and connected to the satellites prior to the 1984 Summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles. The third occurred, I want to say in the late 90's and early 2000s as T4 underwent a major overhaul, and eliminated the "wrench" gates
and reconfigured the gates for a more practical design. During these overhauls, jetways would have been added, repositioned, and reconfigured based on aircraft movement forecasts.

T5 & T6 likewise have had gate reconfigurations over the years as various remodels and overhauls took place. I do agree with current sentiments that T5 & T6 gates could be reconfigured to allow more narrowbody aircraft. But what if B6 ends up buying the 787 or A330NEO? Or better yet, if B6 ends up merging with AA? Those scenarios could impact how the gates are reconfigured.

This is all to say current sentiments ultimately can't be used to determine if capital should be spent on erecting a new jetway. LAWA may want a growing B6 to expand at TBIT where the midfield concourse will provide extra gates and better alleyway flows where current alleyways at T5 are limited.

Sdmccray1984 wrote:

Perhaps someone with knowledge of LAX can educate me: why don’t T5 and T6 have 15 jetways apiece? Looking at the width of the current gate markings, you could easily accommodate 15 jetways at each terminal if all you did was eliminate one of the widebody gates from T5 and T6 respectively(leaving each terminal with one such gate). At T5, operationally, HA only really needs one A330 capable gate (gate 59) and at T6, AC only needs one widebody gate (at most they’ll only ever do 4x daily YYZ on their B789/B77W). So with B6 blowing up at T5, I’m surprised the gates haven’t been added. Thoughts?

Gates are being added to both terminals so that each will have 16 gates.

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

When WA/DL built a new terminal around the T5 satellite in the late 1980s, the terminal had 16 jetways. Sometime in the early 2000's, DL removed three jetways. They were numbered 52B, where the current bus gate is, 55B, and 57B (a small jetway at the southwest corner rarely used other than to allow dual bridge boarding with 57A). I presume this was in large part for easier maneuvering of 737's with winglets and for more 757s than 727's.

I think I also remember hearing about airlines having to reduce jetway counts in the early 2000s for some reason-was that the case, too?

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atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

uclax wrote:

I think I also remember hearing about airlines having to reduce jetway counts in the early 2000s for some reason-was that the case, too?

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In 2005, LAX had 163 gates. an agreement was made to reduce to 153 gates. The agreement has since been superseded.

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blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

Not sure but I’ve only seen Air Canada park there with heavies in recent years, b763.

[list=][/list]The Family Man movie was filmed in 2000 at Terminal 6, Gate 66. The film starred Tea Leoni and Nicolas Cage. Tea Leoni was boarding a United flight to Paris. Did United ever fly to Paris from Gate 66 or is this unrealistic?

Do the UA 763s even have enough range to fly to ORY or CDG?

blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

767-300 for UA and CO only have a single boarding door, not sure that 2 doors are ever used on 767-400

blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

I've boarded a CO 767-400 flight from LAX, and I can confirm the "fixed" jetway (Gate 69A), was not used, but the 2nd jetway (Gate 69B) was used. I imagine there was a similar setup for 68A/68B.

blacksoviet wrote:

The Family Man movie was filmed in 2000 at Terminal 6, Gate 66. The film starred Tea Leoni and Nicolas Cage. Tea Leoni was boarding a United flight to Paris. Did United ever fly to Paris from Gate 66 or is this unrealistic?

My recollection during that era has the southeastern end of Terminal 6 (early 1970's extension) typically used by UA, which includes Gate 66, for which I remember more Transpacific operations using these gates, but a CDG flight could very well have arrived and departed from those gates. The southwestern end would have been used by DL & CO, with CO moreso using it for their widebody flights (D10, 762, 764, 777) since those could not park at the Terminal 6 1980's connector gates assigned to CO.

phatfarmlines wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

I've boarded a CO 767-400 flight from LAX, and I can confirm the "fixed" jetway (Gate 69A), was not used, but the 2nd jetway (Gate 69B) was used. I imagine there was a similar setup for 68A/68B.

blacksoviet wrote:

The Family Man movie was filmed in 2000 at Terminal 6, Gate 66. The film starred Tea Leoni and Nicolas Cage. Tea Leoni was boarding a United flight to Paris. Did United ever fly to Paris from Gate 66 or is this unrealistic?

My recollection during that era has the southeastern end of Terminal 6 (early 1970's extension) typically used by UA, which includes Gate 66, for which I remember more Transpacific operations using these gates, but a CDG flight could very well have arrived and departed from those gates. The southwestern end would have been used by DL & CO, with CO moreso using it for their widebody flights (D10, 762, 764, 777) since those could not park at the Terminal 6 1980's connector gates assigned to CO.

Is it true that LAWA gave Continental Terminal 6 because Robert Six was in charge of Continental in 1962?

atcdan wrote:

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blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

Actually gate 68A can handle B762/763 as well as narrow bodies.

T2 has several gates (23, 25, 26) that can handle 2 ADG-III and smaller, or one ADG-IV or larger. I don’t know why that’s not done at T5/T6.

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

Not sure but I’ve only seen Air Canada park there with heavies in recent years, b763.

How many gates does Alaska share with Air Canada?

blacksoviet wrote:

[list=][/list]The Family Man movie was filmed in 2000 at Terminal 6, Gate 66. The film starred Tea Leoni and Nicolas Cage. Tea Leoni was boarding a United flight to Paris. Did United ever fly to Paris from Gate 66 or is this unrealistic?

Do the UA 763s even have enough range to fly to ORY or CDG?

Yes. AA also flew LAX-CDG with a 763

blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

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blacksoviet wrote:

Did United or Continental ever use both jetways to board a 767-400 or a 767-300 at Gate 68A?

Not sure but I’ve only seen Air Canada park there with heavies in recent years, b763.

How many gates does Alaska share with Air Canada?

Currently just 69 A/B regularly, they may share 64 at times as well but I cannot remember TBH. 69A has seen the AC Dreamliner back at LAX recently too.

66, 68A/B have been under construction for months.

atcdan wrote:

blacksoviet wrote:

atcdan wrote:

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Not sure but I’ve only seen Air Canada park there with heavies in recent years, b763.

How many gates does Alaska share with Air Canada?

Currently just 69 A/B regularly, they may share 64 at times as well but I cannot remember TBH. 69A has seen the AC Dreamliner back at LAX recently too.

66, 68A/B have been under construction for months.

Why are gates 66 and 68A/B under construction? Are they moving any jetways?