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Daylight Savings Time - connections

Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:53 pm

Of course Daylight Savings Time in the United States went into effect this morning at 2 AM. I assume that eastbound red eye flights would depart at their regular time but land an hour late at their destination. Would connecting flights from the red eyes be held or scheduled an hour later to accommodate the passengers off the red eyes?

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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:01 pm

The airline schedule during the transition takes the time change into account.
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:04 pm

Woodreau wrote:
The airline schedule during the transition takes the time change into account.


Dang ya beat me to it! :thumbsup:
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:56 pm

Daylight Savings Time did not go into effect this morning. But Daylight Saving Time did.
 
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:57 am

Doesn’t AA move its PHX banks by an hour in March and November since Arizona does not observe DST?
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:09 pm

DFW17L wrote:
Daylight Savings Time did not go into effect this morning. But Daylight Saving Time did.


How much interest in the former ?
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:31 pm

zeke wrote:
DFW17L wrote:
Daylight Savings Time did not go into effect this morning. But Daylight Saving Time did.


How much interest in the former ?

Upwards of 10% I gather, but beware of faded curtains.

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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:30 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Doesn’t AA move its PHX banks by an hour in March and November since Arizona does not observe DST?


Yep, March moves the schedule an hour earlier and November an hour later. It is done so that only four stations have to adjust their work schedules (PHX, FLG, TUS, YUM) as opposed to every other station having to adjust their times to account for different flight times. WN does something similar but it isn't as hard cut as AA.
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:13 pm

alasizon wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Doesn’t AA move its PHX banks by an hour in March and November since Arizona does not observe DST?


Yep, March moves the schedule an hour earlier and November an hour later. It is done so that only four stations have to adjust their work schedules (PHX, FLG, TUS, YUM) as opposed to every other station having to adjust their times to account for different flight times. WN does something similar but it isn't as hard cut as AA.


Similar to how many foreign operators deal with DST in the US. In the case of EU carriers, they’ll typically push the departure time from the outstation back an hour so the flight still arrives at the Hub at the right time to make the connection banks. Then a few weeks later when EU hits DST, switch it back an hour to adjust for the difference.
 
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:42 pm

FGITD wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Doesn’t AA move its PHX banks by an hour in March and November since Arizona does not observe DST?


Yep, March moves the schedule an hour earlier and November an hour later. It is done so that only four stations have to adjust their work schedules (PHX, FLG, TUS, YUM) as opposed to every other station having to adjust their times to account for different flight times. WN does something similar but it isn't as hard cut as AA.


Similar to how many foreign operators deal with DST in the US. In the case of EU carriers, they’ll typically push the departure time from the outstation back an hour so the flight still arrives at the Hub at the right time to make the connection banks. Then a few weeks later when EU hits DST, switch it back an hour to adjust for the difference.


I’ve heard that daylight saving time starting at different points in March messes you the North Atlantic flights. For US carriers that are landing at slot restricted airports, they need to stay in their slot in Europe, yet that can cause them to miss time a departure or arrival bank in the US.
 
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:40 am

FGITD wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Doesn’t AA move its PHX banks by an hour in March and November since Arizona does not observe DST?


Yep, March moves the schedule an hour earlier and November an hour later. It is done so that only four stations have to adjust their work schedules (PHX, FLG, TUS, YUM) as opposed to every other station having to adjust their times to account for different flight times. WN does something similar but it isn't as hard cut as AA.


Similar to how many foreign operators deal with DST in the US. In the case of EU carriers, they’ll typically push the departure time from the outstation back an hour so the flight still arrives at the Hub at the right time to make the connection banks. Then a few weeks later when EU hits DST, switch it back an hour to adjust for the difference.


Southern Hemisphere locales that use summer and winter time are even more of a challenge because they don’t change at the same time and move in the opposite direction. It’s not too much of an issue in the Western Hemisphere because the ground times are very long in South America; not sure about Europe-Africa.
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:01 am

DFW17L wrote:
Daylight Savings Time did not go into effect this morning. But Daylight Saving Time did.


:checkmark: Exactly. But colloquially a LOT of people say "Savings" because that's probably how their parents said it so they just picked it up. I was one of them until I got older and learned the proper title.
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:30 am

aeromoe wrote:
DFW17L wrote:
Daylight Savings Time did not go into effect this morning. But Daylight Saving Time did.


:checkmark: Exactly. But colloquially a LOT of people say "Savings" because that's probably how their parents said it so they just picked it up. I was one of them until I got older and learned the proper title.


I am no longer saying/writing "Savings"!
 
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:34 am

I was having this discussion with friends recently, and had a related question for longhaul fleets: how do carriers that typically have a 24-hour average rotation manage with a 23-hour day? Do they go all-hands on deck and not schedule MX so that they can keep the schedule, remove schedule buffer 10 mins over a week and hope for no disruptions, some combination?
 
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Re: Daylight Savings Time - connections

Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:53 am

Here in Europe we usually call it Summer Time or Winter Time, rather more appropriate terms - although the onset of Summer Time in late March each year often accords with some nasty weather. Many years ago I was hopeful that the ship ferry service I was on would have me home an hour earlier, due to the time change, but they delayed the departure from the port by an hour, so that the ship arrived at the usual time making the journey longer to synchronise the schedule.

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