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MattBizZ
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modern maintenance and lawyers

Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:32 pm

Hi all,
Some airline fleets are under flight-data monitoring program, but do EEC/FADEC directly send engine datas to plane or engine builders ?
 
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:02 pm

How does the title relate to your question?
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:22 pm

I’d suggest not letting lawyers perform maintenance unless they are also certified to maintain aircraft.
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:25 pm

Some years ago, a Jet overflying canada had an engine failure, with some nice vibrations.
Some days later, when people (and their lawyers) started to investigate in order to know who was going to pay (aircraft manufacturer, engine manufacturer, operator) , the engine manufacturer asked why the pilots had wait 17 secondes before shutting down the engine.
It was not a mistake, the pilot check-list stated to iddle 20 seconds if possible before shirting down.

View the price of the engines, I wonder if manufacturers dont put litlle spies in the fadec (satcom transmiter) to get all the datas without having anything to ask to operators.
 
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:57 am

MattBizZ wrote:
Some years ago, a Jet overflying canada had an engine failure, with some nice vibrations.
Some days later, when people (and their lawyers) started to investigate in order to know who was going to pay (aircraft manufacturer, engine manufacturer, operator) , the engine manufacturer asked why the pilots had wait 17 secondes before shutting down the engine.
It was not a mistake, the pilot check-list stated to iddle 20 seconds if possible before shirting down.

View the price of the engines, I wonder if manufacturers dont put litlle spies in the fadec (satcom transmiter) to get all the datas without having anything to ask to operators.


The engine and airframe manufacturers work together pretty closely to integrate their products into a cohesive final product. Any data the engine guys want logged for analysis, will get logged; there's no reason for them to get sneaky and hide spyware on their products. Not to mention the legal ramifications of flying with non-certified hardware without the operators knowledge.
 
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:57 am

MattBizZ wrote:

do EEC/FADEC directly send engine datas to plane or engine builders ?


Engine data is sent to the operator; normally directly to maintenance control, not to the engine or aircraft manufacturer.

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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:21 am

MattBizZ wrote:
Some years ago, a Jet overflying canada had an engine failure, with some nice vibrations.
Some days later, when people (and their lawyers) started to investigate in order to know who was going to pay (aircraft manufacturer, engine manufacturer, operator) , the engine manufacturer asked why the pilots had wait 17 secondes before shutting down the engine.
It was not a mistake, the pilot check-list stated to iddle 20 seconds if possible before shirting down.

View the price of the engines, I wonder if manufacturers dont put litlle spies in the fadec (satcom transmiter) to get all the datas without having anything to ask to operators.


Here is a good article about how Airplane Health Management works

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... _07_1.html

Airplane sends data that is filtered through the manufacturer. There is no spy or secret transmitter. It’s done openly to help support maintenance and troubleshooting

AHM is a maintenance decision support capability provided through the MyBoeingFleet.com Web portal. AHM uses real-time airplane data to provide enhanced fault forwarding, troubleshooting, and historical fix success rates to reduce schedule interruptions and increase maintenance efficiency. It delivers relevant information whenever and wherever it's needed — data received directly from airplanes is delivered by Boeing within the MyBoeingFleet.com Web portal.

AHM integrates the remote monitoring, collection, and analysis of airplane data to determine the status of an airplane's current or future serviceability or performance. An airline's engineering and maintenance staff can use this data to make timely, economical, and repeatable maintenance decisions that can help improve overall fleet operation.
 
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Re: modern maintenance and lawyers

Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pm

e38 wrote:
Engine data is sent to the operator; normally directly to maintenance control, not to the engine or aircraft manufacturer.

e38


That’s all going to depend on the operator and the contract he has with the manufacturer. I’m pretty darn sure that if you’re operating under a power by the hour contract, that data is going to the manufacturer as well as your maintenance and engineering organization.
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