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777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Sun May 09, 2021 9:09 am

Hey Guys, is there any common type rating between the 77L/77W and the 77X? Can a 77L/77W pilot be able to fly a 77X?
 
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Sun May 09, 2021 12:10 pm

AFAIK definitely yes.

There's a common rating with the 787 too.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Sun May 09, 2021 1:56 pm

Starlionblue wrote:

There's a common rating with the 787 too.


EASA has a common type rating with the 777/787, however, the FAA does not. The 787 is a separate type rating.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 1:17 am

UA857 wrote:
is there any common type rating between the 77L/77W and the 77X?


Yes, for operation under Federal Aviation Administration jurisdiction, the reference is FAA Order 8900.1, Volume 5, Chapter 2, Section 19, effective 17 December 2020.

You can quick link to this at: https://registry.faa.gov click on Airmen Certification; Aircraft Type Rating Designator.

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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 2:21 am

There are enough small differences that a differences course should be required. Meaning a pilot rated on the 77W has to take a short training before he/she can fly the 9.
 
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 4:01 am

It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

Okcflyer wrote:
There are enough small differences that a differences course should be required. Meaning a pilot rated on the 77W has to take a short training before he/she can fly the 9.


I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 5:17 am

N1120A wrote:
It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

Okcflyer wrote:
There are enough small differences that a differences course should be required. Meaning a pilot rated on the 77W has to take a short training before he/she can fly the 9.


I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.


The A330 and A350 also have a common type rating as well, and they're also pretty different.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 6:08 am

N1120A wrote:
It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.



Note that common type rating doesn't necessarily mean you can go from one to the other without additional training ;)

Just going from old ATRs to -600s was a 10 day course when I did it, and that's the same type!
 
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 6:45 pm

N1120A wrote:
It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

Okcflyer wrote:
There are enough small differences that a differences course should be required. Meaning a pilot rated on the 77W has to take a short training before he/she can fly the 9.


I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.


The 777-200/-300 Avionics are a different architecture from the 787, but it doesn’t matter what’s going on under the hood. It matters what the pilots see.

The 777-9 and 787 Avionics and Flight Control architecture is almost identical.
 
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Mon May 10, 2021 7:20 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
The A330 and A350 also have a common type rating as well, and they're also pretty different.


They are not a common type rating with the FAA either.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Tue May 11, 2021 1:06 pm

UA857 wrote:
Can a 77L/77W pilot be able to fly a 77X?

OP asked for the flying part of the industry specifically... but I would like to share some things from that part that stays on the ground.


For us technicians it's not a common type rating. There isn't a differences training course either. You'd have to go through the whole type training process again, like for any other aircraft.

BoeingGuy wrote:
but it doesn’t matter what’s going on under the hood. It matters what the pilots see.


For the technicians it's quite the opposite... obviously.
The next generation B777 isn't even considered a 'similar aircraft' to the old B777 when it comes to keeping your license active. (To keep a type rating active we have to have worked on that aircraft type in the past 2 years. We can also keep the type rating active when we have worked on a 'similar aircraft' in the past 2 years). EASA defines 'similar aircraft' quite vaguely as "Two aircraft can be considered as similar when they have similar technology, construction and comparable systems".
In my environment the B77L/W is grouped together with the A320/330/340, ERJ170/190 and BD-500, while the B77X is in a group with the A350/380 and the B787.
 
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Tue May 11, 2021 7:01 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
N1120A wrote:
It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

Okcflyer wrote:
There are enough small differences that a differences course should be required. Meaning a pilot rated on the 77W has to take a short training before he/she can fly the 9.


I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.


The A330 and A350 also have a common type rating as well, and they're also pretty different.


Hence the point about a differences training.
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Re: 777-200LR/300ER vs 777X common type rating

Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 am

N1120A wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
N1120A wrote:
It surprises me that the 777 and 787 would have a common type anywhere. The avionics are pretty different.

I'd imagine the change in avionics alone would require that.


The A330 and A350 also have a common type rating as well, and they're also pretty different.


Hence the point about a differences training.


Absolutely.

Adding the A350 is non-trivial. A few days of classroom, a knowledge test, a procedure trainer session, half a dozen sim sessions and a few sectors with a training captain.

Once you have the common rating, you alternate A330 and A350 on the proficiency checks. And there are some currency requirements.
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