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acecrackshot wrote:I’ve yet to meet a 1900 pilot who didn’t love it.
Starlionblue wrote:I mean, I loved pooting around in a 172... ...Or lavatory
Starlionblue wrote:acecrackshot wrote:I’ve yet to meet a 1900 pilot who didn’t love it.
They love the flying. But as mentioned above they typically don't love the pay and conditions.
I mean, I loved pooting around in a 172. Having to pay for it? Not as much. Plus there's no coffee maker. Or lavatory. Or crew rest.
T54A wrote:A350: 60 yrs of airline tech all rolled into one awesome machine.
B727: Fast fast fast. 411kts VNE in mode A on ASI with a speed brake to match that
Alias1024 wrote:The Douglas T-Tails... You had to muscle them around the sky since they use control tabs to move the ailerons and elevators...
LyleLanley wrote:Alias1024 wrote:The Douglas T-Tails... You had to muscle them around the sky since they use control tabs to move the ailerons and elevators...
You sure you’re not thinking of another bird with that? No control tabs on the -10 and -11, all hydro, and “muscling them” isn’t at all how I’d describe it. A joy to smoothly hand fly.
adipasqu wrote:T54A wrote:A350: 60 yrs of airline tech all rolled into one awesome machine.
B727: Fast fast fast. 411kts VNE in mode A on ASI with a speed brake to match that
For us non-pilots, can you explain what mode A on ASI is? I know what VNE and a speed brake is. Thanks!
dennypayne wrote:LyleLanley wrote:Alias1024 wrote:The Douglas T-Tails... You had to muscle them around the sky since they use control tabs to move the ailerons and elevators...
You sure you’re not thinking of another bird with that? No control tabs on the -10 and -11, all hydro, and “muscling them” isn’t at all how I’d describe it. A joy to smoothly hand fly.
Well a -10 or -11 isn't a T-tail so....pretty sure he means a -9 or MD-80.
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T54A wrote:adipasqu wrote:T54A wrote:A350: 60 yrs of airline tech all rolled into one awesome machine.
B727: Fast fast fast. 411kts VNE in mode A on ASI with a speed brake to match that
For us non-pilots, can you explain what mode A on ASI is? I know what VNE and a speed brake is. Thanks!
The B727 had two modes on the Air Speed Indicator (ASI), Mode A and Mode B. Mode A could used below a certain weight. Mode A allowed for a higher VNE of 411kts at 21500ft, above this Mach 0.9 becomes limiting.
See page 3 on the following link:
http://users.skynet.be/virtual_eat/down ... ATIONS.PDF
T54A wrote:adipasqu wrote:T54A wrote:A350: 60 yrs of airline tech all rolled into one awesome machine.
B727: Fast fast fast. 411kts VNE in mode A on ASI with a speed brake to match that
For us non-pilots, can you explain what mode A on ASI is? I know what VNE and a speed brake is. Thanks!
The B727 had two modes on the Air Speed Indicator (ASI), Mode A and Mode B. Mode A could used below a certain weight. Mode A allowed for a higher VNE of 411kts at 21500ft, above this Mach 0.9 becomes limiting.
See page 3 on the following link:
http://users.skynet.be/virtual_eat/down ... ATIONS.PDF
Max Q wrote:Interesting, I’ve spent a lot of time riding on 737’s of all kinds in the back and in the jump seat and decided I never wanted to fly it
While I don’t think it’s a bad aircraft it wasn’t for me, the cramped, noisy old fashioned cockpit had zero appeal and of course the mostly short haul mission
I was spoiled by the magnificent 727 which was just a delight to fly and with an FE even short haul was enjoyable
Since I didn’t like the 737 I switched to the MD80 next, I wasn’t too impressed with it, there were lots of design compromises that didn’t work well and it flew like a truck with no power steering
The 757 is a delight, great performance, reliable and good technology that makes your life easier as a pilot without interfering although the handling isn’t that great and a bad ride in turbulence
The 767 is the nicest aircraft I’ve flown, comfortable, quiet, great performance and handling with a good ride in turbulence
FlyHossD wrote:Max Q wrote:Interesting, I’ve spent a lot of time riding on 737’s of all kinds in the back and in the jump seat and decided I never wanted to fly it
While I don’t think it’s a bad aircraft it wasn’t for me, the cramped, noisy old fashioned cockpit had zero appeal and of course the mostly short haul mission
I was spoiled by the magnificent 727 which was just a delight to fly and with an FE even short haul was enjoyable
Since I didn’t like the 737 I switched to the MD80 next, I wasn’t too impressed with it, there were lots of design compromises that didn’t work well and it flew like a truck with no power steering
The 757 is a delight, great performance, reliable and good technology that makes your life easier as a pilot without interfering although the handling isn’t that great and a bad ride in turbulence
The 767 is the nicest aircraft I’ve flown, comfortable, quiet, great performance and handling with a good ride in turbulence
Good list MaxQ.
Mentioned earlier was the BE-1900, it was fun and easy airplane to fly well. My first job was flying Beech Barons and have fond memories of that, too
As for the airline jets - yes, the 727 was SO capable and the 757 was a fun hot rod. But my favorite jet was the 767-200. I have family who wax poetic about the 777.
VMCA787 wrote:Hands down the 747 family. Would have been perfect if Boeing could make a quiet cockpit. As an instructor, there was nothing better than doing base training with a bunch of new FOs. But the airplane itself flew great, plenty of power, extremely stable, a pleasure to fly. I would say I preferred the 744 over any other model.
744SPX wrote:I'd be curious how flying the SAAB-2000 compares with the Q400...
GalaxyFlyer wrote:744SPX wrote:I'd be curious how flying the SAAB-2000 compares with the Q400...
The Venn diagram of pilots who flew both must be tiny!
flyPIT wrote:Someone already said the one that pays the most so I’ll add the one that takes me to the nicest hotels. The older I get the more important those two things become and the less important the aircraft type becomes.
In a previous life I flew the A320. Wonderful aircraft. It’s funny, seems pilots who have the most vocal disdain for it have never flown it.
Starlionblue wrote:flyPIT wrote:Someone already said the one that pays the most so I’ll add the one that takes me to the nicest hotels. The older I get the more important those two things become and the less important the aircraft type becomes.
In a previous life I flew the A320. Wonderful aircraft. It’s funny, seems pilots who have the most vocal disdain for it have never flown it.
I have found the same about pilots who haven't flown the 'bus. They sometimes seem almost scared of it. You hear comments like "it's so complicated" and "it doesn't let me fly" and "it scares me that I might have to learn it".
I think it does take a bit of time to fully internalise the Airbus design philosophy. And it can be a bit of a daunting prospect.
Woodreau wrote:I just like the fact that I can recline my seat and lay it flat so that I can study the overhead panel…. And not hit my head on the aft bulkhead with the seat in the full aft position. Cant really do that in a 737.
Just waiting for the day that I can fly an aircraft with only voice commands…. Drove ships for 10 years using voice commands, can’t wait for airplanes to catch up to that technology..
tb727 wrote:If you go into it with a build the plane Boeing mentality, you are gonna struggle.
VMCA787 wrote:... but it was obvious the design philosophy was to take options away from the pilot.
DH106 wrote:VMCA787 wrote:... but it was obvious the design philosophy was to take options away from the pilot.
Interesting, what options does it take away from a pilot? To stall? To fly inverted? To botch a CFIT escape perhaps?
VMCA787 wrote:tb727 wrote:If you go into it with a build the plane Boeing mentality, you are gonna struggle.
Hate to burst your bubble, but that philosophy is not the "Boeing mentality"! It is more the 727 mentality. Having flown the A320, 727, B757, B747, B744, B777 and B787 I can assure you the 727 checkout was so different than any other aircraft. Completely nuts and bolts.
I have flown the A320 and didn't really care for it. It got the job done, but it was obvious the design philosophy was to take options away from the pilot. So, I would take a Boeing any day over an Airbus.
VMCA787 wrote:Genuinely curious about how to reach (and maintain) this condition with a Boeing?Just remember, max performance on a swept wing is half the wing in a stalled condition and the wing, unlike a straight wing, stalls from the tip inwards.
CeddP wrote:Genuinely curious about how to reach (and maintain) this condition with a Boeing?
Starlionblue wrote:I think it does take a bit of time to fully internalise the Airbus design philosophy. And it can be a bit of a daunting prospect.