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Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:33 pm

Curious to know if they are dual qualified to fly both types ?
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:12 pm

I would think so, otherwise what would be the point of the conversion.
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:37 am

They are, which was major driver behind the flight deck recertification on the 10 (the other being removal of the FE). Apparently, the handling dynamics are stupidly different, with the 10 handling much better.
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:46 am

Yes, they are a common type rating. When I was in the DC-10 I thought it was the easiest jet to land but the moment I went to the -11 I loved it more. As for the MD-10 it still flew like a DC-10 so it was a little more work than the -11. Since the A/Ts were different I started disconnecting them at about 100' and reducing power manually for a better landing.
 
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:36 pm

Yes, you got a MD-11 Type rating to fly both the MD-11 and MD10 (both -10 and -30). But a DC-10 rating only let you fly the DC10. What is really strange is that Delta Airlines operated DC-9, MD-88 and MD-90 along with the B717. Pilots checked out on the B717 (which has a cockpit very similar to the MD11/MD10), get a DC-9 Type Rating!
 
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:49 am

113312 wrote:
What is really strange is that Delta Airlines operated DC-9, MD-88 and MD-90 along with the B717. Pilots checked out on the B717 (which has a cockpit very similar to the MD11/MD10), get a DC-9 Type Rating!


It seems like, at least in the United States, the "type rating" is a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) formality whereas an operator's qualification is what really defines what a pilot is authorized to fly at that operator.

With regard to your example above about Delta, you are correct, all the aircraft you mentioned--DC-9, MD-88/MD-90, and Boeing 717 all carry the DC-9 type rating, but, the three variants--DC-9, MD-88/MD-90, B717 are considerably different such that separate qualifications was necessary.

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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm

N1120A wrote:
They are, which was major driver behind the flight deck recertification on the 10 (the other being removal of the FE). Apparently, the handling dynamics are stupidly different, with the 10 handling much better.

For me the -11 was better by far.
 
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Re: Do FedEx pilots fly the MD10 and MD11 ?

Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:10 am

e38 wrote:
113312 wrote:
What is really strange is that Delta Airlines operated DC-9, MD-88 and MD-90 along with the B717. Pilots checked out on the B717 (which has a cockpit very similar to the MD11/MD10), get a DC-9 Type Rating!


It seems like, at least in the United States, the "type rating" is a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) formality whereas an operator's qualification is what really defines what a pilot is authorized to fly at that operator.

With regard to your example above about Delta, you are correct, all the aircraft you mentioned--DC-9, MD-88/MD-90, and Boeing 717 all carry the DC-9 type rating, but, the three variants--DC-9, MD-88/MD-90, B717 are considerably different such that separate qualifications was necessary.

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Its a function of two different things. The FAA aircraft certification people determine if an aircraft is part of a common type rating, and the Certificate Management Office (the FAA oversight entity for a specific airline will then determine if aircraft are part of different fleets.

For example, at Fedex as I understand it, the 757 and 767 are flown for the majority of the airline as different fleets. So obviously, while the aircraft share a type, Fedex is generally not allowed to interchange crews as they are allowed to do at different airlines.

This is all under Part 121, which gives both operators a wide latitude to ask for exemptions and deviations, and the Feds the power to make demands consistent with those inspectors professional assessment of the operation.

Under Part 91, you can go get your DC-9 or 757 type rating, and fly MD-80s or 767s to your heart's content, as you've got the appropriate category/class/type ratings.

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