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737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:04 pm

I have seen some airlines combine their safety cards with 737-800/737-8 max into a single safety card.
I also have seen airlines using designated ones for each subfleet.
Can an airline use the 737-800 safety card in a max 8 and -900 safety card in a max9? Are they interchangeable ?

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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:10 pm

On the -800 and Max8, the exit configurations will automatically be the same since those aircraft come with one exit configuration (4 doors, 4 overwings). So as long as the safety equipment on the inside is the same. That's not necessarily the case on the -900 and Max9, though operators can certainly have them configured the same way.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:35 pm

As long as exit/emergency operation is the same it doesn’t matter. There are operators that combine(d) -700 and -800 into one card despite the difference in number of overwing exits.

For the -900ER/Max9 it depends on if the mid aft cabin doors are activated or not, as I believe use of those doors is slightly different than others.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:36 pm

Seems odd that (at least in the US) airlines have to list the country where the aircraft entered final assembly on the safety card but they can be cagey between actual aircraft models.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:14 pm

PanAm788 wrote:
Seems odd that (at least in the US) airlines have to list the country where the aircraft entered final assembly on the safety card but they can be cagey between actual aircraft models.

I’ve wondered that as well.

I’m sure there are other countries that require it, but I’ve always wondered why the US requires a statement on the card stating where the final assembly point of the aircraft was.

The most confusing safety card I have seen was on FL where they had both exit configurations for the 73G and 738 on a single card, despite not even operating the 738.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:42 pm

PanAm788 wrote:
Seems odd that (at least in the US) airlines have to list the country where the aircraft entered final assembly on the safety card but they can be cagey between actual aircraft models.


DL had two MD-90 aircraft that were final assembled in China; ships 9264 and 9265, CN 4000 and 4001. DL had different safety cards for these two aircraft.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:54 pm

In Europe TUI have 2 different safety cards for the 737-800 and the 737-Max8. The -800 has a classic style life jacket where you tie the straps in a bow. The Max has a clip-style life jacket fastening. So they can’t share a safety card. The TUI 737 Max safety card simply refers to the 737-8 for obvious reasons. Ryanair’s 737-8200s have an extra pair of exits so need their own safety card too.

Simple answer is different variants can all be combined onto one card if they do not have different safety equipment and procedures.

So some airlines can, and some cannot combine the Max with other 737 variants.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:52 am

USAirALB wrote:
PanAm788 wrote:
Seems odd that (at least in the US) airlines have to list the country where the aircraft entered final assembly on the safety card but they can be cagey between actual aircraft models.

I’ve wondered that as well.

I’m sure there are other countries that require it, but I’ve always wondered why the US requires a statement on the card stating where the final assembly point of the aircraft was.

The most confusing safety card I have seen was on FL where they had both exit configurations for the 73G and 738 on a single card, despite not even operating the 738.

From memory, that came up after 9/11; it was a way to stoke the patriotic flame of some people. Unnecessary in my opinion since, for example, the Airbus A320s in the US can have been assembled in France, Germany or the US (forcing the airlines to list all 3 countries - nullifying the goal of such information - of maintaining 3 sets of cards...); but it's what some people want.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:52 am

B757Forever wrote:
PanAm788 wrote:
Seems odd that (at least in the US) airlines have to list the country where the aircraft entered final assembly on the safety card but they can be cagey between actual aircraft models.


DL had two MD-90 aircraft that were final assembled in China; ships 9264 and 9265, CN 4000 and 4001. DL had different safety cards for these two aircraft.

Did the cards say "final assembly of this aircraft in China"?
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:43 am

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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:54 am

Crosswind wrote:
In Europe TUI have 2 different safety cards for the 737-800 and the 737-Max8. The -800 has a classic style life jacket where you tie the straps in a bow. The Max has a clip-style life jacket fastening. So they can’t share a safety card. The TUI 737 Max safety card simply refers to the 737-8 for obvious reasons. Ryanair’s 737-8200s have an extra pair of exits so need their own safety card too.

Simple answer is different variants can all be combined onto one card if they do not have different safety equipment and procedures.

So some airlines can, and some cannot combine the Max with other 737 variants.


Less of an issue with Ryanair since they don't print safety cards.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:31 am

Crosswind wrote:
In Europe TUI have 2 different safety cards for the 737-800 and the 737-Max8. The -800 has a classic style life jacket where you tie the straps in a bow. The Max has a clip-style life jacket fastening. So they can’t share a safety card.


BA's A320 CEOs have a tie life jacket, and the NEOs have a clip life jacket, yet they share the same generic ‘Airbus A320’ safety card. They also have different emergency exit signs, and emergency lighting, so presumably it’s a TUI preference to have two safety cards rather than regulatory.

Obviously the A321 NEOs have a separate card due to the exit config.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:01 am

GVZZZ wrote:
Crosswind wrote:
In Europe TUI have 2 different safety cards for the 737-800 and the 737-Max8. The -800 has a classic style life jacket where you tie the straps in a bow. The Max has a clip-style life jacket fastening. So they can’t share a safety card. The TUI 737 Max safety card simply refers to the 737-8 for obvious reasons. Ryanair’s 737-8200s have an extra pair of exits so need their own safety card too.

Simple answer is different variants can all be combined onto one card if they do not have different safety equipment and procedures.

So some airlines can, and some cannot combine the Max with other 737 variants.


Less of an issue with Ryanair since they don't print safety cards.


Ryanair's safety cards are stuck to the back of the seat in front of the passenger at eye level so you cannot miss them!

I had the pleasure of flying on one of the brand new Ryanair 737-8200 MAX aircraft last Saturday, coming back from Malaga to Stansted. The safety card is somewhat peculiar as it shows TWO sets of exits for the MAX, one for evacuation on land and the other for evacuation on water. It appears that, in the event of a landing on water, the rearmost exits cannot be used.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:25 am

GVZZZ wrote:
Crosswind wrote:
In Europe TUI have 2 different safety cards for the 737-800 and the 737-Max8. The -800 has a classic style life jacket where you tie the straps in a bow. The Max has a clip-style life jacket fastening. So they can’t share a safety card. The TUI 737 Max safety card simply refers to the 737-8 for obvious reasons. Ryanair’s 737-8200s have an extra pair of exits so need their own safety card too.

Simple answer is different variants can all be combined onto one card if they do not have different safety equipment and procedures.

So some airlines can, and some cannot combine the Max with other 737 variants.


Less of an issue with Ryanair since they don't print safety cards.



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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:30 am

747fly wrote:
BA's A320 CEOs have a tie life jacket, and the NEOs have a clip life jacket.....


BA - FINALLY - have clip life jackets? OMG did hell freeze or something?

I always wondered why BA persisted tie life jackets - I assumed cost. In an emergency I can see this being a huge mess, with people not being able to tie bows properly. I mean a sizeable chunk of the population do not know how to tie shoes, I kid you not.

I always thought the BA safety video, "....tie in a double bow, on your side", weirdly specific.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:02 pm

They can be the same. Before the grounding, Southwest had a combined 737-800/MAX safety card. After the grounding they went back to a 737-800 dedicated card most likely so people didn't ask if they were on a MAX. I'd imagine they will go back to the combined card now that the MAX has been issue free since the ungrounding and 99% of people probably don't give it any thought anymore.
 
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:22 pm

bigbadjoe wrote:
The safety card is somewhat peculiar as it shows TWO sets of exits for the MAX, one for evacuation on land and the other for evacuation on water. It appears that, in the event of a landing on water, the rearmost exits cannot be used.

Is this not the case with most planes.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:51 pm

vhtje wrote:
747fly wrote:
BA's A320 CEOs have a tie life jacket, and the NEOs have a clip life jacket.....


BA - FINALLY - have clip life jackets? OMG did hell freeze or something?

I always wondered why BA persisted tie life jackets - I assumed cost. In an emergency I can see this being a huge mess, with people not being able to tie bows properly. I mean a sizeable chunk of the population do not know how to tie shoes, I kid you not.

I always thought the BA safety video, "....tie in a double bow, on your side", weirdly specific.

I always took it as possibly a British thing or a UK CAA regulation? VS for the longest time also had life vests with ties, in addition to CX as well.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:25 pm

USAirALB wrote:
I always took it as possibly a British thing or a UK CAA regulation? VS for the longest time also had life vests with ties, in addition to CX as well.


Squeezyjet (U2) have clips on their life vests, so cannot be a UK CAA regulation.

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Re: 737 max safety card question

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:10 am

It's a life jacket. Most likely they come from the lowest bidder at the time of purchase. ;)

One might think that clip is more expensive but it's the total cost of the unit that counts. At a guess, in some cases, clip style fastener jackets may be cheaper, depending on supply chain vagaries.
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Re: 737 max safety card question

Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:36 am

Polot wrote:
As long as exit/emergency operation is the same it doesn’t matter. There are operators that combine(d) -700 and -800 into one card despite the difference in number of overwing exits.


Alaska Airlines also has one safety card for the A319/A320 despite the difference in overwing exits. Of course Alaska Airlines ditched the A319 due to Covid-19 yet the dual safety cards still persist...evidenced onboard the AS A320 I flew aboard last month.
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